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Israel Tries to "Win Russia Over": Report [Intel Barf from Islam Barf: One man's terrorist...]
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Posted on 09/08/2004 5:26:09 PM PDT by familyop



http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2004-09/07/article05.shtml


Israel Tries to "Win Russia Over": Report

Lavrov, right, made a distinction between occupied Palestine and Chechnya (AFP)

OCCUPIED JERUSALEM, September 7 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) –Showing appreciation for Israel's sympathy and offers of security assistance, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov however drew a line between Chechnya and Palestine, making it clear Arab countries could not be excluded from any alliance against terror.

"Chechnya is a part of Russia. But the Palestinian territories are declared by UN resolutions and international legitimacy as occupied lands," Lavrov said during a joint press conference with his Israeli counterpart Silvan Shalom, according to Al-Jazeera.

Also, at a meeting with Israeli President Moshe Katsav, Lavrov, while  agreeing that there could be no justification to terrorism, insisted at the same time that some of the factors contributing to terrorism, such as stark economic conditions, should be dealt with.

Seemingly challenged, Katsav understood that he was referring to the Palestinians, and became even more insistent that there was absolutely nothing that could justify terrorism, reported the Jerusalem Post.

Fundamental Differences

Citing Israeli diplomatic officials Monday, the paper said while the school hostage crisis in southern Russia – blamed by Moscow on Chechen separatists - forged a greater solidarity between Russia and Israel, it did not erase fundamental policy differences after Lavrov's visit.

Israel has used the hostage crisis in North Ossetia to reinforce its attempts to link the Palestinians' struggle for independence from Israeli occupation to what is now being promoted as "world terror".

While Israeli prompt sympathies and offers of help paid off partially – in the form of inking security agreements during Lavrov's visit to Israelon Monday –Israel failed to get Russia to change its historic relations with countries like Syria and Iran or stances supporting the Palestinian rights.

While showing willingness to work with Israel against militants, Lavrov made it clear any counter-terrorism alliance would have to include Arab countries -- in what the Associated Press said was a nod to Russia's traditional allies in the region.

"Terrorism doesn't have any nationalities," he said.

"I believe the key to the solution of the problem is to bring all countries to fight terror and I can assure you that in addition to our very close counterterrorist cooperation with Israel we have similar counterterrorist cooperation with Arab countries."

Pay the Price

During a day of meetings, Lavrov heard Israel offer Russia a wide range of assistance _ from medical aid for children suffering post-traumatic stress disorder, to sending medical teams to the area, dispatching counter-terror advisers and upgrading intelligence cooperation, according to the Jerusalem Post.

But Israel, meanwhile, was blunt in demanding the price for this.

According to the Post, Shalom said he told Lavrov that Israel now expects Russia not to support a Palestinian resolution at the United Nations on the controversial separation wall, to be discussed at the United Nations issue later this month, calling for sanctions against Israel.

Russia voted against Israel on the issue before the General Assembly in July.

In the one hour and a half meeting in occupied Jerusalem, Shalom pointed out that in the last 21 UN votes relating to Israel, Russia voted against Israel 17 times and abstained on four occasions.

Shalom, at the joint press conference with Lavrov, said that Israel is looking toward the Russian UN delegation "to oppose the ongoing Palestinian campaign against Israel and to reject their anti-Israeli initiatives, designed to hurt Israel and divert attention from their own obligations.

"It is clear that the solutions to the Palestinian issue lie in Ramallah and Gaza, not in New York or The Hague," Shalom added.

Iran, Syria

According to Israeli diplomats, cited by the Post, Shalom failed to get an explicit Russian promise on Moscow halting its nuclear cooperation with Iran or changing its strategic relations with Syria, both countries Israel sees as a threat.

"During their meeting, according to Israeli officials, Lavrov told Shalom that if Israel has specific information about Iran, they should bring it to Moscow's attention.

Saying that Russia is "the last country interested in an Iran armed with nuclear weapons," Lavrov said he feels that often Iranis "used as a slogan." "If you have leads," he said, "bring them to us."

Lavrov said that Iran feels it needs nuclear weapons to defend itself against the type of campaign the US waged against Iraq. "The next time anyone wants to attack one of the countries in the axis of evil," he said, in a jab at the US, "they should first come with proof [of weapons of mass destruction]," according to the Israeli daily.

Shalom also raised the issue of Syria's presence in Lebanon, and the involvement of Palestinian groups based in Damascus in attacks on Israel. Lavrov was scheduled to hold meetings in DamascusTuesday before returning to Russia.

Upon leaving Israel, Lavrov said he had no Israeli messages to relay to Syria. On Lebanon, Lavrov had already made it clear – while in Beirut before heading to Israel– that the Arab country "had the right to run its internal affairs with no interference".

Sharon's Statements

Sharon claimed Israel suffered from "Arab Palestinian terror" 48 years before the Jewish state was even created (AFP)

During his meeting with Lavrov, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon likened the Russian school hostage crisis to what he termed "Arab Palestinian terrorism against Israel".

"We share the disaster that hit Russia, which fell victim to a horrible act of terror. We ourselves are victims of Arab Palestinian terror for over 100 years. We are familiar with the cruelty of Palestinian terror."

But his statement carries a historical distortion of the fact that  Israel was created only 52 years ago –- precisely on May15 ,1948 – on parts of Arab state Palestine, following a UN Resolution dividing Palestine between the Jews and Palestinians.

During the 1967 war, Israel occupied the rest of Palestine, along with Egypt's Sinai, Israeli Golan Heights, Jordanian and Lebanese territories.

Since the September11 ,2001 , attacks on New York and Washington, the Israeli government has been attempting to portray the Palestinian struggle against its occupation army daily practices as part of the global "war against terrorism". The Palestinians say attacks by resistance factions on Israelis should be seen in the context of Israel's37 -year occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.





TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ariel; betrayal; chechen; chechnya; federation; intrigue; iran; israel; lebanon; mediterranean; north; nuclear; nuke; nukes; ossetia; putin; russia; russian; sharon; soviet; syria; vladimir
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Also see:

Russian FM To Israel: Chechnya No, Palestine and Iranian Nukes Yes http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210302/posts

Russians Respect Reason For Terrorism http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210347/posts

1 posted on 09/08/2004 5:26:10 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

...reformat.

Russian FM To Israel: Chechnya No, Palestine and Iranian Nukes Yes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210302/posts

Russians Respect Reason For Terrorism http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210347/posts


2 posted on 09/08/2004 5:31:10 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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3 posted on 09/08/2004 6:07:57 PM PDT by Alouette (Pray for the Children of Russia, Israel and the USA)
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To: familyop
Also, at a meeting with Israeli President Moshe Katsav, Lavrov, while agreeing that there could be no justification to terrorism, insisted at the same time that some of the factors contributing to terrorism, such as stark economic conditions, should be dealt with.

There is but one commonality, one contributing factor-Islam. Until we address that the Cult of Muhammed- a calculating man who manipulated Arabian politics to make himself a god on earth-is a political perspective as much as a faith, and show that it has no place here in the 21st century, the WOT will expand and grow to new battlefields, rather than recede. These people need sharia, because this ridiculous moon god worshipping faith can't compete in the cynical modern world. Its never been a religion of peace, even in the time of that epileptic "prophet" himself, and it never will be peaceful, just like communism couldn't be. Freedom is a direct threat to it.

4 posted on 09/09/2004 11:30:52 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (The (Swift Boat vets for) Truth will set us free.)
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