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1 posted on 09/14/2004 9:27:03 AM PDT by jmc813
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Big Government "conservatives" calling Ron Paul all sorts of names, while absolutely refusing to discuss the issue in 3, 2, 1....


2 posted on 09/14/2004 9:28:44 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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Not my kids.

Ron Paul KNOWS the deal. He is the AUTHOR of HR 1146, the bill to get us out of the UN and away from one-worldism. Let's SUPPORT him 110%!


3 posted on 09/14/2004 9:28:47 AM PDT by gunnygail (Founding member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. (I operate the minigun, more fun):.)
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...for your files.


4 posted on 09/14/2004 9:30:11 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic - If we can keep it!)
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To: jmc813

I'm with Paul on this one.


5 posted on 09/14/2004 9:30:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The economy won't matter if you're dead.)
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This proposal comes from the very same government that wages a never ending "war on drugs", its main justification especially being keeping drugs away from children.

Oh the irony is thick enough to cut with a spoon.

6 posted on 09/14/2004 9:32:51 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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Dr. Ron Paul bump!


8 posted on 09/14/2004 9:34:22 AM PDT by Weirdad (A Free Republic, not a "democracy" (mob rule))
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Misleading headline of the year nominee...


10 posted on 09/14/2004 9:34:53 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (Proud Virginian)
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This is absolutely insane. I found some testimony from a Dr. before congress on the issues of prescribing Ritalin and other amphetamines for today's schoolchildren.

http://www.breggin.com/congress.html

I have a family member that has a history of Ritalin abuse and indicated to our family that it is a widespread problem at her school.

There has to be ample studies showing the negative impact of this approach. A policy such as this one would be devastating to the youth of this country. They don't even know the long term impacts of these drugs yet.


13 posted on 09/14/2004 9:40:30 AM PDT by Pierce911 (Ritalin Abuse)
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The big picture according to freeeee:

ADD diagnoses are a new phenomenon. What happened?

Once upon a children used their imaginations to amuse themselves and parents were there to raise them. The natural energy of children was expanded on outdoor activity both during school recess and after school. Parents were nearby to ensure their safety and school administrators had enough common sense to know recess served a purpose.

Fast forward a few years.

Television and later video games are invented. At first television was claimed to be a great educator. In reality it becomes fast food for the brain. Programming evolved to an almost universal format of quick changing screens, overloading the senses. Some Japanese animation even causes seizures. This is catastrophic to developing brains, attention spans, and learning of patience.

In the meantime, economic factors changed dramitically. The "New Society" and its high spending creep the tax rate up to almost 50%. At the other end, families are squeezed from global competition against the labor force of third world peasants. This, added to femenism takes the primary care taker, the mother, out of the home and into the workplace. At night both are too tired to tend to children. Instead they sit in front of the TV as their minds rot. Besides, its safer inside and perpetually safety hysterical Sally Soccer Mom rules the roost, lest Dad speak up and get the boot. Zero tolerance and lawsuits keep children in a lockdown at schools. Recess is canceled or shortened to make time for PC indoctrination. Games like dodgeball or even team sports are canceled for PC concerns. Rambunctious kids can no longer be effectively disciplined because of concerns of child abuse allegations.

Children genetically haven't changed in 50 years. But all of a sudden there is a sudden surge in wild kids with no attention spans (they're fat too). "They're unwieldy! What shall we do?" Enter pharmacutical companies with brain altering drugs that will turn kids into compliant little drones.

These financial powerhouses now have an economic incentive to get as many kids as customers as possible. First they influence parents with advertising, the medical progession with financial incentives, and lastly as we see here government with lobbying.

The government looks at the problem and doesn't want to pull children from schools or TV's as they are the great indoctinators. It also will not reduce its tax burden or its sellout of the workplace, to bring a parent home. And here is a pharm rep holding out millions in campaign donations. Their decision is as predictible as the sun rising.

The only thing left is the Orwellian name to put a nice shiny face on the whole thing: The Freedom Initiative.

Huge entrenched factors make this a problem years in the making and very, very difficult to combat. Parents must take initiative and be very aggressive to protect their children from these forces.

Consider yourself informed and warned.

24 posted on 09/14/2004 10:13:07 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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Scary...Isn't this the same program used in the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia?

Communists sure do love mental health!


28 posted on 09/14/2004 10:34:12 AM PDT by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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Ron Paul is absolutely correct! I have a so-called conservative friend who has her son on Ritalin because "it's easier on everyone"!! Child Abuse at its finest.


29 posted on 09/14/2004 10:35:26 AM PDT by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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With all due respect I don't think this is about the pharmaceutical companies or any dark conspiracy with them. Or 'lazy' teachers or inept parents. I see something darker.

(Tinfoil hat is firmly in place now), I see this as a GUN CONTROL ploy! With 20,000+ listed so-called mental diseases now, the only way to take the peoples guns away is by declaring them Mentally Unfit (ill)!

Check every state or local gun ordinance, I'm 99.459% sure that if you are or have been 'diagnosed' with a mental illness you CANNOT own a gun - period. So if kids are diagnosed in elementary school as being 'mentally ill' they can NEVER get a gun - because they'll never be 'cured'.

As I understand it, there is no 'cure' for ADD or ADHD. Just a life long regimen of taking mind altering drugs to 'control' their 'illness'.

This is GUN-CONTROL for the future - period.

(gotta go, my bullets need polishing)

67 posted on 09/14/2004 1:11:19 PM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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The people endorsing this obvious Federal intrusion into the private affairs of the citizenry are hardly part of the "Right." This idea is too the Left of anything FDR or LBJ ever dared advocate.

But that said, I am very glad that Paul has it in his sights. We need to be ever vigilent about this sort of thing. Centralized concern about the mental health of a people is right out of the Communist and Nazi playbooks. (And those movements were about as far Left as you can get.)

A free society is not afraid of the idiosyncrasies of its individual citizens. A slave society wants uniformity.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

83 posted on 09/14/2004 2:36:25 PM PDT by Ohioan
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I have a daughter with severe brain damage. She looks normal, but she has speech and behavior problems. She should be in a wheel chair, but for some reason her brain did figure out how to walk and do other gross motor skills.

Anyway, when she was 3 she wasn't talking. She was very frustrated and was having lots of terrible temper tantrums, especially when she was tired. I did not know how to handle these tantrums.

I went to a psychologist that our pediatrician referred us to. The first thing the psychologist asked me if I would consider putting my daughter on medication.

I never went back.

At 7, my daughter is much better behaved. Instead of working on every bad behavior, I worked on behaviors that were the worst. For example, at 3 she liked to run into the street or parking lot without looking, without holding hands. For 6 months, we worked on this. Every time she ran away from me, I picked her up and either put her in the car, in her room, or I held unto her for a long time. I didn't work on other behaviors like hitting and biting. After about 6 months of intense work, she finally stopped running out into the street. At 7, she still asks either to hold my hand to cross the street or she asks if it is safe.

Now at 7, she is very well-behaved at school. She still has some tantrums at home, and we are still working on that. Her brother bugs her, and she doesn't handle the situation well. She just punches or kicks him. (Sometimes I think he deserves it.)

My point is that she didn't need drugs. She needed a strong discipline/behavior plan. She's learned how to handle herself in different places, and she doesn't have to rely on drugs.

I'm not anti-drug. My mother is a manic depressive, and lithium keeps her from going totally crazy (not an exaggeration). I just don't think it should be the first choice, especially when children are involved.


90 posted on 09/14/2004 3:21:55 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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Just heard Congressman Steve King addressing this very issue this am on the radio on the Jan Mickelson show from WHO radio in DM.

Congressman King said he was the only one from the Iowa delegation to vote against this.

103 posted on 09/17/2004 9:31:03 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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