Posted on 09/23/2004 3:42:48 PM PDT by FatLoser
Thursday, September 23, 2004
National ID card an assault on freedom Dreier bill would be a step toward a police state As Americans continue to debate immigration, they need to make sure that precious rights and freedoms are not abridged by any new public policy that may grow out of the discussion.
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FWIW, Dreier has responded along the lines that this isn't a national ID card -- you'd only need to show it when starting work for a new employer.
And we all know how our SS# is ONLY used for employment, right? Surely the picture on the SS card would return us to the days of proper use of the SS#, right? (joking, folks).
Look, we've got to figure out some way of telling who's a citizen and who isn't. We can't have illegals voting in our elections, working our jobs, and collecting our government goodies. Other than requiring citizens to show some form of official government identification card when collecting benefits or voting, I see no way of doing this. What alternatives are there — branding? Implanted computer chips? Dog tags? If anyone has a better, less invasve solution to the problem of identifying U.S. citizens, I'm willing to listen, but until I hear something sensible, I'm supporting national ID.
Thanks, I hate to resgister for all the sign-ins. What a total crock. I have never been employed that I did not have to have my social security card. If there is a way to verify them as well.....great! Too bad Dreier is just responding to possibly being thrown out of office for his record on illegal immigration. Maybe too little too late.
I still remember when the SSN card had "Not to be used for identification" written on it. Well, if you look in the USC (U.S. Code) there is no penalty specified for actually using it for ID.
In other words, it's against the law to use it for ID, but there is no penalty specified.
I whole heartedly agree with your take on this issue. The authorities, whether it be the local cop or security at the airport has to be able to ID each and every person they come in contact with.
I'm willing to listen, but until I hear something sensible, I'm supporting national ID.
This is similar to the gun issue. There are already lots of laws on the books that regulate the possesion and mis-use of a gun. They were either not enforced or selectively enforced.
Every state has enough ID requirements that it is fairly easy to catch the illegals. Also, what makes you think the illegals won't create a forged National ID card?
What ends up happening is the ususal: If you can't or won't enforce the law on the criminal enforce it on the law abiding"
Nobody has the political gonads to round up the illegals or seal our border? No problem, force the great unwashed masses to carry ID. And then what....will they then enforce the immigration laws...don't hold your breath.
Same here... it would make it easier to identify illegals and also voter fraud.
I'm also fairly sure that many countries have a National ID aside from the very obvious and inflammatory Nazi Germany mentioned in the very obvious and inflammatory article LOL
That's how I feel too. And although it's fair to criticize Dreier for not having done this sooner (and when he wasn't the target of John & Ken's "human sacrifice" stunt), I also can't help but wonder whether some of the "hate Dreier" crowd here and elsewhere wouldn't be PRAISING this measure if it had come from Tom Tancredo, etc.
Yeah, the USSR.
Tom Tancredo has too much sense to propose such an ineffectual waste of time and money.
Look, I don't hate Dreier. I am sure he is personally a very good and responsible individual, but his ideas and philosphy is dangerous and destructive to this country. Because of that he MUST be ousted.
Dreier is one of the big ones in the congressional herd. Take him down and others will take note.
Also note that Dreir is not the only politico targeted. Joe Baca is also going to be replaced with a Republican, a conservative one.
I BELIEVE strongly
that this needs to be resisted forcefully as long as possible.
I realize it's becoming more and more a moot issue. However, every little bit is important at this point in the war.
I'd like to see a reliable biometric ID system, which wouldn't involve carrying a card. But until that's ready, we've got to do something else. I don't consider it much of a "freedom" that I get to vote and then have my vote neutralized by hordes of dead Democrats and illegal aliens.
"ch an ineffectual waste of time and money." What's wrong with the proposal? Inasmuch as fake and/or foreign IDs are a huge part of the illegal immigration problem, doesn't it make sense to have some sort of uniform, harder-to-forge, national ID, even if we remain mindful of Big Brother concerns? I guess you just prefer the current state of affairs, wherein it is easy as pie to fake a SS card and illegally get work? Or is it just this particular revamping that you have specific objections to? If so, let's hear them. So far, what I'm hearing is cliches and "Dreier bad, Dreier bad."
I disagree with the strategy of ousting Dreier, largely because, contrary to what John & Ken say and what you obviously believe, it will NOT be easy to get the Democrat out of there if she is elected this time.
The only way this could have a positive effect, in my view, is if Dreier NEARLY loses and gets religion.
Really, talk about misplaced resources. Why didn't you, John & Ken work on Dreier during the PRIMARY, so that, if he lost (then), it would be to a Republican who'd be retaining the seat? More importantly: Why don't you "sacrifice" Boxer, who is hugely more powerful as a Senator than any House member ever could be? But not a peep outta you, John or Ken about her. It's a shame.
Mind you, I don't really care to hear replies, because these arguments -- yours or mine -- are no longer going to convince anyone. Too much of them relies on prognostication. My point is: you THINK you'll be able to get a Republican back into Dreier's seat in 2006 if he's "sacrificed" this year, but you may well find that you can't -- and then you'll have cut off your nose to spite your face.
1. "Who was the first President?" (easy)
2. " Who was the sixteenth president?" (easy)
3. "Who do the initials JFK stand for?" (if they answer John Kerry, deport them) ;^)
I'm afraid I'm with you on this one B-Chan. I don't really like the national ID card idea either, but until someone comes up with a better idea.... I have read lots of post so far (mostly ranting about Big Brother), but so far no one has actually stated a workable alternative to national ID cards. Personally, I am a lot less worried about Big Brother than I am about the drain caused by all the illegals.
Your proposal would end up deporting a s**tload of US citizens, given the state of the public schools.
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