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Posted on 09/26/2004 1:54:16 PM PDT by JLS

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To: sharktrager; churchillbuff

The thing is, Rush hasn't even been criticized for it. There was a thread the other day about Rush dating Daryn Kagan, and most posters had no problem with his multiple marriages, let alone dating a liberal so rabid she almost cried on-air after Algore lost in 2000.

While questions of leadership could be raised, given the divorce rate right now, I don't think the voters would care. And Rush would still have 22 million listeners.


61 posted on 09/26/2004 3:04:41 PM PDT by Terpfen (Wanted: Laura Ingraham's leopard miniskirt picture. Links welcomed!)
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To: Jacvin
The GOP is going to have to get it through its thick head that abortion is not an issue for the Federal Government to decide, and that NO Supreme Court will EVER overturn Roe v. Wade.

If you don't like abortion, use your church as a vehicle to express your view.

It's like tilting at windmills to think Roe will ever be overturned. It won't.

So why is any Federal candidates opinion relavent?

62 posted on 09/26/2004 3:05:35 PM PDT by motife
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To: Non-Sequitur

Personally, I don't think Alan Keyes would ever have a chance at President. But, just to play devil's advocate, losing the Illinois Senate race isn't always a sign at presidential abilities . . . just look at Abraham Lincoln who lost the IL Senate race to Stephen Douglas 2 years before being elected president!


63 posted on 09/26/2004 3:06:12 PM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Terpfen
Rush has been severely criticized on Free Republic since the divorce became public. Every discussion of his dating has included attacks.

A Presidential candidate would get savaged by the conservative base with a track record like Rudy's.
64 posted on 09/26/2004 3:06:49 PM PDT by sharktrager (Nobody deserves our hostility when they are in a time of need.)
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To: Jacvin
Clarification: I know George Allen is a Senator but he was a Governor giving him the necessary executive credentials, that you cannot get by being a Senator.
65 posted on 09/26/2004 3:07:42 PM PDT by Jacvin
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To: Conservative Infidel

"However, Condi is just a policy adviser and academic. She has no management experience."

"Just" a policy advisor and academic? She is brilliant, articulate, poised and elegant, a model of grace under fire, and I'd love to see her run against that hag Hillary.

"Does anyone know what JC Watts has been up to?"

My question exactly.


66 posted on 09/26/2004 3:07:48 PM PDT by cloud8
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To: Mark in the Old South

The one thing that keeps me from agreeing with you is the GOP's leftward shift. IIRC, the pro-life bills being passed are originating in the House, and House Republicans have to yell at Senate Republicans just to get the bill considered. But given how some bills ARE being passed, I don't know if Rudy's abortion stance would even be an issue by 2008.


67 posted on 09/26/2004 3:08:07 PM PDT by Terpfen (Wanted: Laura Ingraham's leopard miniskirt picture. Links welcomed!)
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To: Terpfen
Limbaugh's separated from his third wife and currently dating. I haven't heard of his ratings plummeting in light of that.

He's an entertainer, not the leader of the free world. I like Rush, and I don't care about his personal life. If he were running, I, along with millions of others, would.

68 posted on 09/26/2004 3:08:18 PM PDT by Aeronaut (Even a fish on the dock stops flipping eventually. - James Lileks)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Keyes has 17% of the Illinois vote in the latest poll.


69 posted on 09/26/2004 3:09:20 PM PDT by motife
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To: JLS

Whatever you do, don't bet on Arnold.

Where is Condi?


70 posted on 09/26/2004 3:09:25 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Aeronaut

I'm just making the point. Though personally, I don't see his marriages as a liability. I'd love to see President Limbaugh someday.


71 posted on 09/26/2004 3:10:07 PM PDT by Terpfen (Wanted: Laura Ingraham's leopard miniskirt picture. Links welcomed!)
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To: Aeronaut
I'm a Republican because I believe in FREEDOM.

Most posters here are GOP because of their fundamentalist religious beliefs, which I could care less about.

Earth to posters : We have separation of church and state in the U.S.

72 posted on 09/26/2004 3:11:56 PM PDT by motife
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To: clintonh8r

Chris Cox, now you're talking.


73 posted on 09/26/2004 3:14:18 PM PDT by des
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To: motife
Earth to posters : We have separation of church and state in the U.S.

No, that is incorrect. We have the "establishment clause." There will be no establishment of a state religion, nor any prohibition of the free expression of any religion.

74 posted on 09/26/2004 3:14:30 PM PDT by Aeronaut (Even a fish on the dock stops flipping eventually. - James Lileks)
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To: JLS
My suggestion -


Governor Mark Sanford, R-SC

Why? Well..

With-It Sanford
The free-market South Carolina governor.

COLUMBIA, S.C. — For someone who battles big government all day long, Mark Sanford is incredibly relaxed. After locking horns with lawmakers, the Palmetto State's Republican governor spent a recent evening sipping a Bud Light and chatting in a Polo shirt and khakis. As befits this 44-year-old who runs and swims daily, the Dave Matthews Band plays quietly on his sound system.

"We've saved 50 percent on headcount at the Governor's Mansion and 45 percent on operating expenses," Sanford says. Despite insisting that public frugality begin at home for him and South Carolina's First Family, Sanford and his staff know how to make their guests comfortable.

"We're like ducks in a pond," says Andy Marchant, the ante bellum mansion's executive chef, after serving southwestern Caesar salad and swordfish. "Above the water, it's calm and serene. Down below, we're paddling furiously."

Unlike so many Republican governors today, Sanford and his team take limited government seriously. While New York's George Pataki outspends Mario Cuomo, his liberal Democrat predecessor, and Nevada's Kenny Guinn initiates a 5 to 10 percent live-entertainment tax, Sanford promotes the Reaganite, market-friendly principles that distinguished him as a self-limited, three-term U.S. congressman. Sanford aggressively advocated Social Security choice and earned Straight As and the "Taxpayers' Best Friend" honor from the National Taxpayers Union.

Sanford complains that "South Carolina's cost of government is 130 percent of the national average" but crows about successfully restructuring state services and saving taxpayer dollars:

"We made the Department of Motor Vehicles part of the Cabinet," Sanford says. It's now "directly accountable to the governor rather than its own island of government. If it's not working, people tell me." With closer oversight and by offering Internet transactions instead of office visits, average DMV waiting times have fallen from 90 minutes to 15. Letting auto dealers issue new license plates also has helped cut DMV's budget 17 percent.

"One state agency rents vehicles to other agencies," Sanford marvels. "If you just went to Hertz, you could rent for less." The legislature agreed to save $33.78 million by selling 6,000 of the state's 20,000 cars.

Sanford's latest budget increased spending by just 1 percent, compared to the Republican legislature's 6.6 percent proposed hike.

Atop $53 million in assorted tax relief he secured this year, Sanford's $1 billion income-tax cut would slash rates from 7 to 4.75 percent (a 32-percent reduction). The Republican house passed it before Democrats filibustered it in the GOP Senate.

Facing a $155 million deficit this year, Sanford negotiated with legislators and won $139 million in debt repayment. Some allies urged Sanford to declare victory with 90 percent of a loaf. He refused, seeing any deficit as both unconstitutional and a precedent for future deficits. Like being three days pregnant, a splash of red ink is no big deal today. Over time, though, both likely grow into far more urgent situations.

Sanford issued 106 vetoes to close this $16 million gap. The house quickly overrode 105 vetoes. Sanford responded May 27 by walking into the statehouse rotunda with a squealing piglet under each arm. "Wait a minute," he asked in the Charleston Post and Courier. "There is plenty of money for 'pork' projects for individual members' districts, but no way to carve out any savings to pay off the deficit?"

While many legislators and pundits frowned, talk radio hosts loved it. Letters to local newspapers mainly approved. Despite — or perhaps because of — this, Sanford's approval numbers exceed 70 percent.

"Mark Sanford truly gets it," says Ed McMullen, President of Columbia's free-market South Carolina Policy Council. "He understands that limited government is an objective. He has succeeded in changing the debate."

"His plan to reduce marginal income tax rates by close to one third is one of the most aggressive income tax cut plans in the nation," says Stephen Slivinski, budget-studies director at Washington's libertarian Cato Institute. "Based on that alone, he deserves recognition as one of the best governors in the nation."

With the legislature adjourned, Sanford will spend 2004 building grassroots support for his program and asking voters to elect sympathetic lawmakers. Free-marketeers seeking someone to carry Ronald Reagan's banner in 2008 should keep their eyes on Columbia.

This fine governor should get a chance to do this in Washington.

Regards, Ivan

75 posted on 09/26/2004 3:14:35 PM PDT by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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To: MNJohnnie
"And just what makes you claim that "McCain is the most Conservative"?"

Well: abortion, gay rights, government spending, school vouchers, etc.

You seem angry that I said that McCain was the "most conservative" of the McCain/Guiliani/Pataki/Romney lot. I think I made an accurate statement. Campaign Finance "reform" is an affront to free speech, yes. But if any of the other candidates oppose it, let me know. By my measure (though I may be wrong - someone please correct me if I am) it seems all five candidates would have signed it into law. Only with the other candidates, you get McCain Feingold and pro-abortion rights, pro-gay-rights, and so on and so forth.

I stand by my statement. McCain is the most conservative of that lot of candidates.
76 posted on 09/26/2004 3:15:04 PM PDT by TitansAFC (Try to avoid the Yahoo! John F. Kerry for president campaign (read: "Yahoo! Election News"))
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To: Terpfen
Oh don't get me wrong, you may be right. The political elites may be all for Rudy in 2008, without a thought for the effect it will have on the Religious Right, pro-lifers, etc. You can see it here on FR right now with the present Presidential campaign. How many times have you seen someone post "a vote for a third party would be the same as electing sKerry"

Don't think for a moment you will not hear the same thing in 2008. They will loose, but then maybe it is their turn (if you like the view from the grassy knoll)
77 posted on 09/26/2004 3:15:07 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: motife

It's not the GOP that has to get it through their head it's you that have to get it through yours.

Pro aborts will never ever be able to win a National Republican Primary.

The GOP has never nomonated a pro abort and they will not for the forseeable future.

If you don't like the GOP than that's just too bad.


78 posted on 09/26/2004 3:15:27 PM PDT by Jacvin
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To: Mark in the Old South

I guess, in the end, we'll just have to vote properly in the 2008 primaries. Override the political elite, like Reagan did in 1980.


79 posted on 09/26/2004 3:17:21 PM PDT by Terpfen (Wanted: Laura Ingraham's leopard miniskirt picture. Links welcomed!)
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To: JLS

Ridge or Owens.

We must win this one first though.


80 posted on 09/26/2004 3:18:01 PM PDT by motexva
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