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Ok get your bets down early. I have a few thought:

1. I am guessing that the whole numbers me George Allen for example is 12/1.

2. I am shocked how low they have Jeb Bush.

3. Jeb is even with Arnold who is not even eligible.

4. I am surprised Frist has the shortest odds. I am similarly surprised someone as old a McCain has such short odds.

1 posted on 09/26/2004 1:54:16 PM PDT by JLS
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Who sets these odds?

Giuliani cannot win a national Republican Primary.

He is pro-abortion, pro gay marriage and he has had all sorts of personal indiscretions in his background.
He has had cancer and his health could also be a problem.

On many issues he is more a Democrat then he is a Republican.

Giuliani is experiencing the “Powell syndrome” right now, everyone thinks he would make a great President, but no one really knows where he stands on anything but one or two issues.

Besides the only way a Catholic could run for national office in this day and age would be to essentially renounce Catholicism the way Kerry has.

The same Catholic issues being used against Kerry now can be used the same way against Giuliani, only it would be even worse with Giuliani because he’s supposedly a “Republican”.

Giuliani’s heroism on 9/11 notwithstanding, a Northeastern liberal Republican could not carry the Republican South or West in a primary.

Let Giuliani get in the ring in a National Republican primary and he would get clobbered.

No one is going to change the constitution for Arnold and even if they did he has the same “issue” problems that Giuliani has.

Bill Frist might run and might have a chance, but he seems deficient in the charisma category to me.

John McCain is despised by Republican party activists. This is not the year 2000 any longer and John has been disloyal to the party and his obsession with unconstitutional
“campaign finance reform” will never be forgotten or forgiven by the Republican party faithful.

I don’t think Pataki or Tom Ridge have the political skills or charisma to become President or to win a national Republican primary. Although Pataki has been underestimated before and won so he has to be considered a factor.

George Allen seems like he would have a real chance. He has charisma, he’s a Governor from a Southern State, is right on the issues and he’s a big good looking guy.

If Jeb’s last name were not Bush he would be a shoo in for the nomination, but I have problems envisioning another Bush getting the nomination for President. It would be too much like a “royal family” for most Americans.

No one in America knows who the other guys are so they almost can’t be considered in the mix.

Condi is not a politician and won't run for anything.
Once again no one knows much about her positions and she has never run for office.Being the NSA does not in and of itself qualify you to be President.

It’s way too soon to tell but I would bet on George Allen right now with Bill Frist a close second.

Or you could always bet over and under.



57 posted on 09/26/2004 3:00:27 PM PDT by Jacvin
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Why do so many people on FR have a major problem with posting numbers in tabular form?


58 posted on 09/26/2004 3:01:11 PM PDT by curmudgeonII (If you listen you can hear the sound of the train that Kerry missed.)
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I'm for Rudy.


59 posted on 09/26/2004 3:02:02 PM PDT by motife
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Whatever you do, don't bet on Arnold.

Where is Condi?


70 posted on 09/26/2004 3:09:25 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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My suggestion -


Governor Mark Sanford, R-SC

Why? Well..

With-It Sanford
The free-market South Carolina governor.

COLUMBIA, S.C. — For someone who battles big government all day long, Mark Sanford is incredibly relaxed. After locking horns with lawmakers, the Palmetto State's Republican governor spent a recent evening sipping a Bud Light and chatting in a Polo shirt and khakis. As befits this 44-year-old who runs and swims daily, the Dave Matthews Band plays quietly on his sound system.

"We've saved 50 percent on headcount at the Governor's Mansion and 45 percent on operating expenses," Sanford says. Despite insisting that public frugality begin at home for him and South Carolina's First Family, Sanford and his staff know how to make their guests comfortable.

"We're like ducks in a pond," says Andy Marchant, the ante bellum mansion's executive chef, after serving southwestern Caesar salad and swordfish. "Above the water, it's calm and serene. Down below, we're paddling furiously."

Unlike so many Republican governors today, Sanford and his team take limited government seriously. While New York's George Pataki outspends Mario Cuomo, his liberal Democrat predecessor, and Nevada's Kenny Guinn initiates a 5 to 10 percent live-entertainment tax, Sanford promotes the Reaganite, market-friendly principles that distinguished him as a self-limited, three-term U.S. congressman. Sanford aggressively advocated Social Security choice and earned Straight As and the "Taxpayers' Best Friend" honor from the National Taxpayers Union.

Sanford complains that "South Carolina's cost of government is 130 percent of the national average" but crows about successfully restructuring state services and saving taxpayer dollars:

"We made the Department of Motor Vehicles part of the Cabinet," Sanford says. It's now "directly accountable to the governor rather than its own island of government. If it's not working, people tell me." With closer oversight and by offering Internet transactions instead of office visits, average DMV waiting times have fallen from 90 minutes to 15. Letting auto dealers issue new license plates also has helped cut DMV's budget 17 percent.

"One state agency rents vehicles to other agencies," Sanford marvels. "If you just went to Hertz, you could rent for less." The legislature agreed to save $33.78 million by selling 6,000 of the state's 20,000 cars.

Sanford's latest budget increased spending by just 1 percent, compared to the Republican legislature's 6.6 percent proposed hike.

Atop $53 million in assorted tax relief he secured this year, Sanford's $1 billion income-tax cut would slash rates from 7 to 4.75 percent (a 32-percent reduction). The Republican house passed it before Democrats filibustered it in the GOP Senate.

Facing a $155 million deficit this year, Sanford negotiated with legislators and won $139 million in debt repayment. Some allies urged Sanford to declare victory with 90 percent of a loaf. He refused, seeing any deficit as both unconstitutional and a precedent for future deficits. Like being three days pregnant, a splash of red ink is no big deal today. Over time, though, both likely grow into far more urgent situations.

Sanford issued 106 vetoes to close this $16 million gap. The house quickly overrode 105 vetoes. Sanford responded May 27 by walking into the statehouse rotunda with a squealing piglet under each arm. "Wait a minute," he asked in the Charleston Post and Courier. "There is plenty of money for 'pork' projects for individual members' districts, but no way to carve out any savings to pay off the deficit?"

While many legislators and pundits frowned, talk radio hosts loved it. Letters to local newspapers mainly approved. Despite — or perhaps because of — this, Sanford's approval numbers exceed 70 percent.

"Mark Sanford truly gets it," says Ed McMullen, President of Columbia's free-market South Carolina Policy Council. "He understands that limited government is an objective. He has succeeded in changing the debate."

"His plan to reduce marginal income tax rates by close to one third is one of the most aggressive income tax cut plans in the nation," says Stephen Slivinski, budget-studies director at Washington's libertarian Cato Institute. "Based on that alone, he deserves recognition as one of the best governors in the nation."

With the legislature adjourned, Sanford will spend 2004 building grassroots support for his program and asking voters to elect sympathetic lawmakers. Free-marketeers seeking someone to carry Ronald Reagan's banner in 2008 should keep their eyes on Columbia.

This fine governor should get a chance to do this in Washington.

Regards, Ivan

75 posted on 09/26/2004 3:14:35 PM PDT by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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Ridge or Owens.

We must win this one first though.


80 posted on 09/26/2004 3:18:01 PM PDT by motexva
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Bill Owens is the best of the lot.

On a different topic... Is there any serious talk of Giuliani taking on Hitlery in the '06 NY Senate race? I love to see him drive a stake through her heart. It would be his greatest service to this country.


85 posted on 09/26/2004 3:25:01 PM PDT by rashley (Rashley)
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Frist and McCain are pro-life, thus their relative positions at or near the top.

No pro-abortion candidate can win the GOP nomination. Rudy will not change that.


88 posted on 09/26/2004 3:30:11 PM PDT by Iron Eagle
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Tim Pawlenty !


89 posted on 09/26/2004 3:30:23 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*This Just In ~ Dan Rather's Penis Is A Forgery, Film At 11*)
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Any site that can't spell Frist doesn't know S*** about politics.

I'd take the field rather than those options. I think a Sanford, Pawlenty, or Benson (assuming they're all re-elected) would stand a decent shot.

Pataki has no chance.

100 posted on 09/26/2004 3:43:03 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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Somebody/Rice. I am not trying to be funny, get some seasoned politico with a lot of gravitas/mass/whatever the catchword is as the Presidential candidate, team him up with Rice. Landslide victory for both, just as "only Nixon could go to China" the first black VP the first woman VP must be a Republican. Once that hurdle is passed everyone will wonder 'What was all the fuss about'? Eight years as VP is enough experience and gives her enough stature to run as the Presidental candidate in 2016. By the same logic the first black President and the firs woman President will be a Republican. I don't at all underestimate the animus of the Socialists and their fellow travellers to Repbulican ideas and integry but I do believe that there will be a large number of women Democrats and black Democrats who would vote for a ticket with her as VP.


104 posted on 09/26/2004 3:55:42 PM PDT by Oakleaf
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Jeb won't be president. It's a shame - he is a good guy but too many Bushes creep people out.

Of course,they can't keep the Kennedys from coming. It's the old double standard. A democratic legacy is a bright shiny example of moving towards the future. A conservative legacy raises 'concerns.'

Liberals are terminally concerned people, it seems.


115 posted on 09/26/2004 4:09:00 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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Do we really know that Powell is not a candidate? He's certaninly not my candidate but I'm afraid he is the cinch nominee if he has changed his mind and decided to run.


117 posted on 09/26/2004 4:12:10 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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Giuliani/Rice is the only ticket that can handle Clinton/Obama in 08.


122 posted on 09/26/2004 4:21:33 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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Arnold isn't eligible and even IF anybody tries to rewrite that law,it won't happen prior to '08!

Jeb will NEVER run for president,let alone in 08! The "dynasty" thing and all that...the Dems would make such a stink,that there'd be NO stopping them and even some GOPers/Conservatives wouldn't stand for a run by Jeb!

Frist hasn't a chance in hell;as proved by his horrible turn at the GOP Convention and the same is true,if not more so,of Pataki.

McCain won't run.

Whoever made this up is politically stupid.And those who post comments on these threads,pushing ridiculous assertions and candidates,should by more than a couple of clues.;^)

123 posted on 09/26/2004 4:21:51 PM PDT by nopardons
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If Rudy can be the giant killer and beat Hitlery in the Senate race in 2006, it should be Rudy and Rice in a cake walk in 2008.
131 posted on 09/26/2004 4:29:38 PM PDT by finnigan2
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I refuse to take seriously ANY set of odds that lists Arnold Schwarzeneggar as a presidential candidate.

Proves they don't know $%@#.


137 posted on 09/26/2004 4:35:29 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (http://righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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No one mentioned even comes close to our current President George W. Bush

He is in a field by himself! We may never top him.


162 posted on 09/26/2004 4:51:21 PM PDT by free_life
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It will be a state governor. Governors win, senators lose.


167 posted on 09/26/2004 4:53:10 PM PDT by HighWheeler (def.- Democrats: n. from Greek; “democ” - many; “rats” - ugly, filthy, bloodsucking parasites.)
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Laura Bush/Hillary Clinton 2008 !!!LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!
Laura would win by a landslide on looks alone.


168 posted on 09/26/2004 4:53:22 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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