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To: JLS

Who sets these odds?

Giuliani cannot win a national Republican Primary.

He is pro-abortion, pro gay marriage and he has had all sorts of personal indiscretions in his background.
He has had cancer and his health could also be a problem.

On many issues he is more a Democrat then he is a Republican.

Giuliani is experiencing the “Powell syndrome” right now, everyone thinks he would make a great President, but no one really knows where he stands on anything but one or two issues.

Besides the only way a Catholic could run for national office in this day and age would be to essentially renounce Catholicism the way Kerry has.

The same Catholic issues being used against Kerry now can be used the same way against Giuliani, only it would be even worse with Giuliani because he’s supposedly a “Republican”.

Giuliani’s heroism on 9/11 notwithstanding, a Northeastern liberal Republican could not carry the Republican South or West in a primary.

Let Giuliani get in the ring in a National Republican primary and he would get clobbered.

No one is going to change the constitution for Arnold and even if they did he has the same “issue” problems that Giuliani has.

Bill Frist might run and might have a chance, but he seems deficient in the charisma category to me.

John McCain is despised by Republican party activists. This is not the year 2000 any longer and John has been disloyal to the party and his obsession with unconstitutional
“campaign finance reform” will never be forgotten or forgiven by the Republican party faithful.

I don’t think Pataki or Tom Ridge have the political skills or charisma to become President or to win a national Republican primary. Although Pataki has been underestimated before and won so he has to be considered a factor.

George Allen seems like he would have a real chance. He has charisma, he’s a Governor from a Southern State, is right on the issues and he’s a big good looking guy.

If Jeb’s last name were not Bush he would be a shoo in for the nomination, but I have problems envisioning another Bush getting the nomination for President. It would be too much like a “royal family” for most Americans.

No one in America knows who the other guys are so they almost can’t be considered in the mix.

Condi is not a politician and won't run for anything.
Once again no one knows much about her positions and she has never run for office.Being the NSA does not in and of itself qualify you to be President.

It’s way too soon to tell but I would bet on George Allen right now with Bill Frist a close second.

Or you could always bet over and under.



57 posted on 09/26/2004 3:00:27 PM PDT by Jacvin
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To: Jacvin
The GOP is going to have to get it through its thick head that abortion is not an issue for the Federal Government to decide, and that NO Supreme Court will EVER overturn Roe v. Wade.

If you don't like abortion, use your church as a vehicle to express your view.

It's like tilting at windmills to think Roe will ever be overturned. It won't.

So why is any Federal candidates opinion relavent?

62 posted on 09/26/2004 3:05:35 PM PDT by motife
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To: Jacvin
Clarification: I know George Allen is a Senator but he was a Governor giving him the necessary executive credentials, that you cannot get by being a Senator.
65 posted on 09/26/2004 3:07:42 PM PDT by Jacvin
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To: Jacvin
Giuliani’s heroism on 9/11 notwithstanding, a Northeastern liberal Republican could not carry the Republican South or West in a primary.

It depends partly on what order the primaries are held in. Traditionally, Iowa and New Hampshire go first. I could see Giuliani sweeping both, and from that point momentum might carry him through the rest of the schedule. He would be the tough on crime (with a track record in NYC) and anti-terror candidate (9/11), and if he promised to appoint strict constructionist judges that might pacify the pro-life crowd, especially given that's really about all the president can do on the issue.

101 posted on 09/26/2004 3:50:48 PM PDT by Brandon
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To: Jacvin
Giuliani cannot win a national Republican Primary.

I disagree entirely. I think Rudy's the only pro-abort who CAN win a GOP primary. Lots of people are willing to give him a pass on the social issues if he'll say, "I'll appoint good SC justices" because he's Rudy. He's extremely popular.

But I think a Rudy candidacy is a horrible idea and would lead to a third party on the Right.

It’s way too soon to tell but I would bet on George Allen right now with Bill Frist a close second.

You can't vote for Frist, you can only vote for "Bill First".

106 posted on 09/26/2004 3:58:38 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: Jacvin

Santorum could run as a genuine Catholic.


207 posted on 09/26/2004 5:31:15 PM PDT by AmishDude (Erdos number 2.)
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