[cogitator]

It's time (in the oceans, at least) to come up with some plans that work. Marine reserves and individual tradeable quotas (ITQs) work.

[keysguy]

One thing the enviros have yet to learn is there is a huge difference between keeping people out and zero bag limits. We are heavily regulated down here and some of it makes sense and some does not.

Right now we have a fish called the jewfish(re-named by the pc crowd "Goliath grouper") that was near extinction 15 years ago. NOAA placed a 0 bag limit on it and it came back. So strong in fact it now endangers other species, spawning snook, juvenile crawfish, permit and others.It's time to re-open this fishery and they won't do it. Makes you wonder.

[sully777]

Now the Portugese are "poaching" the Grand Banks instead of "fishing." The subtle linguistics will have them cower in their slickers with fear until the EU has the WTO overrule this idea. I'm sure the families in the US that suffer from their livelihood ending will be happy to know they saved fish for the future Portugese trollers in the name of environmentalism.

JMO, start a thousand commercial fish farms with the money peed on this idea. Have the US independent of the hazards of fishing the Grand Banks. It's a complicated idea BUT IT JUST MIGHT WORK if we all pull together for the good of the children. Capitalism at its finest: Domesticated-fish aqua ranches. Halibut selling for pennies. Tuna sans dolphin (range or domesticated) for 1/2 the price.