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To: kjvail

The modern European Union is largely the creation of the Hapsburgs. Otto began working on the idea prior to World War II.


4 posted on 10/21/2004 10:48:13 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Ok, well heres a slightly different perspective on that issue, I just finished this article when I read your post.



The State: Its Rise and Decline

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?control=527

The author touches on the EU, which I admittedly had always viewed as a very bad thing, about 2/3 of the way down. I'd be interested to hear from any European posters if this is actually happening, the distingration of the modern state can only be a good thing for humanity.

"If implosion is one result that may follow from the weakening of the state, integration may be another. From ASEAN through the EU and NAFTA and MERCOSUR, technological and economic changes are forcing states to cooperate with each other, not seldom at the expense of at least some parts of their sovereignty. Particularly in Europe, the process whereby individual states are being taken over by a larger organization is well under way. At present this new organization already makes law, exercises justice and makes money, though it does not yet either declare war or levy taxes. Above all, it is not sovereign and does not represent a state; that is why it is called a Union or a Community. To the extent that new members are joining it or are trying to join it every day, the Union is growing and may indeed soon cease to be European at all. Even in places so far removed that they cannot join it, it is often regarded as a model.

As states integrate into a larger organization that encompasses them, they are often made to devolve some of their internal powers to regions, districts and communities. In this respect, too, Europe has led; with the result that, from Spain through Belgium to the United Kingdom, regional autonomy is the order of the day. In the US, too, the Republican Congress has promised--though to date it has scarcely begun to deliver--a greater emphasis on the rights of individual states as opposed to those of the Federal Government. Even where regionalization has not yet started, as in Germany, it is very often being discussed as one way of responding to, and benefiting from the changes brought about by the European Union. The days when statehood necessarily meant a movement towards greater and greater centralization are clearly over."


7 posted on 10/21/2004 11:06:47 AM PDT by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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