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So how did we lose Wisconsin?

Posted on 11/03/2004 5:44:13 PM PST by bill1952

Some time ago, I posted that I thought that we had a great shot at 286 EVs for Bush.

Looks accuate at this time, but I had always hoped for Wisconsin.

Here's why:

Taking WI would have validated Rove/Bush's alternate plan to win the EV without WI.

That would change the pre election dynamics for 2008 and greatly altered the dim's strategy to retake the White House.

Now, it seems like a validation to concentrate even more on Ohio/Florida, and also that the alternate plan would have failed.

What happened, and how do we plan realistic steps to change the future outcome, and thus ensure the viability of multiple winning scenarios?


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: election; gwb2004; wisconsin
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1 posted on 11/03/2004 5:44:13 PM PST by bill1952
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To: bill1952

Rush knew we'd win OH all along. :) S'why he never gave up playing that song to kick off his show. As for WI - I'd like to know as well.


2 posted on 11/03/2004 5:45:42 PM PST by cgk (Thank you, God for answered prayers.)
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To: bill1952

How did cheeseheads vote for a guy who calls it Lambert Field.....


3 posted on 11/03/2004 5:46:09 PM PST by Always Right
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To: bill1952

we did win wisconsin if only valid votes were counted.


4 posted on 11/03/2004 5:46:35 PM PST by MrFred
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To: bill1952

My one critique of Bush's 2004 campaign was that he should have spent less time in Pennsylvania, and more in Wisconsin and New Hampshire.


5 posted on 11/03/2004 5:46:51 PM PST by Dragonspirit (A RINO is someone not voting for President Bush in 2004 while claiming to be a conservative.)
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To: bill1952

Milwaukee was the difference, it was real close but the Dems own the major metro areas with high minority populations.


6 posted on 11/03/2004 5:47:40 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: bill1952
What happened, and how do we plan realistic steps to change the future outcome, and thus ensure the viability of multiple winning scenarios?

Nuke Madison!

7 posted on 11/03/2004 5:48:05 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: bill1952

Fraud. You must organize to repeal same day registration. Demand an inquiry into double voting (U of Wis, Marquette, etc), purging the rolls of ineligible voters. Really, It was, again, stolen in Mailwaukee.


8 posted on 11/03/2004 5:48:16 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: bill1952

Bush's gains in western Wisconsin were counterbalanced by increased turnout in Madison and Milwaukee and Ralph Nader voters returning to the 'Rat fold. The result was that Wisconsin voted almost exactly like it did in 2000.

Minnesota was 1% stronger for Kerry than for Gore. The whole upper Midwest didn't vote see any great shift in either direction.


9 posted on 11/03/2004 5:48:32 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Dragonspirit

Why izzat? Pennsylvania was extremely close and could have very well gone to Bush.


10 posted on 11/03/2004 5:48:43 PM PST by astonberry
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To: bill1952

I agree. We need to start thinking about how to "soften" up certain states like PA, MI, and WI. They seem to "yearn to be free" and yet a hairline majority somehow always has a liberal deathgrip on them. There is hope however: Look how close these three states were this year compared to 2000 (besides WI). And that with Nader off the ballot in PA - Kerry should've won PA comfortably, but he didn't.

Strategizing for 2008 begins today on Nov 3 2004.


11 posted on 11/03/2004 5:49:30 PM PST by Norman Bates (Game over. Bush wins.)
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To: MrFred

Require rudimentary voter photo ID. Law was passed, but then vetoed by Doyle, our liberal Gov. The wide open opportunity for fraud was used extensively by the Dims


12 posted on 11/03/2004 5:49:39 PM PST by Knute (Kerry / Edwards 2004 - Forging Ahead with Dan Blather)
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To: bill1952

Not enough cheese.)


13 posted on 11/03/2004 5:50:07 PM PST by ohCompGk
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To: bill1952

Speaking from Wisconsin, I know that Bush really did win it. If there's ever an investigation of registrations, there's going to be hell to pay for the democrats. I bet bush actually carried the state by 100,000 votes.


14 posted on 11/03/2004 5:50:07 PM PST by Oblongata
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To: bill1952

Madison, is where all the Red diaper babies, go to College.


15 posted on 11/03/2004 5:51:35 PM PST by suekas
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To: Clintonfatigued
I really doubt fraud tipped Wisconsin. We had election observers at every polling station. A good friend of mine was a poll watcher at a ward in inner city Milwaukee. He said that the whole thing was completely clean there, and the poll workers were scrupulously honest and fair.

The real problem is that MN & WI has a long history of progressive politics. Old lessons are very hard to unlearn. I actually had more hope for MN, which seemed to be trending faster toward the right than WI. I guess we have more work to do. (I am a native of Saint Croix county, a WI county the border between WI & MN).
16 posted on 11/03/2004 5:53:59 PM PST by mrjeff
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To: bill1952
Rock The Vote... The Demonrat operative being interviewed smirked and said "some 15,000 new residents walked in off the street and voted" after the event. (I guess everyone got a copy of a utility bill.)
17 posted on 11/03/2004 5:54:17 PM PST by ANDY72632 (BUSH 2004)
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To: bill1952
All your statium are belong to us!

18 posted on 11/03/2004 5:54:17 PM PST by MarineBrat
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To: MrFred
The same way we lost Michigan and Penn.: voter fraud. The Democrat machine in the big cities have a big "get out the fraud vote system." If you take away all the fraud, I bet Bush won by 8 points nationally. If the media was not so biased with attacking Bush and slanting all the news as bad news (bad economy, etc.), Bush would have won by 12 points.
19 posted on 11/03/2004 5:54:41 PM PST by Hendrix
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To: bill1952

I wonder how many absentee ballots they have? And did they/will they count them? Looks like the count was really like 49.8 Kerry 49.2 Bush. Less than 12,000 votes as opposed to the squeaker they had in Ohio where they couldn't call it Because Kerry was close to breaking into Bush's 140,000 vote lead.

Maybe next time?

I expected PA to turn. It sure would be nice to know the whole count on both these states even if they were not needed.

v.


20 posted on 11/03/2004 5:54:52 PM PST by ventana
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