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AFTER VAN GOGH (CTD)
NROTC ^ | November 21, 2004 | Andrew Stuttaford

Posted on 11/23/2004 3:31:14 PM PST by swilhelm73

Terrific piece in the London Spectator by Anthony Browne on the slaughter of Theo Van Gogh. The whole article is a must, must read, but here’s an extract:

“At least, though, the Left in the Netherlands has seen that there is a clash between liberal democracy and cultural relativism; that some cultures are simply not compatible with Western traditions of freedom and tolerance; and that the old distinction between evil right-wingers and cuddly left-wingers no longer makes sense. It is one thing to turn a Christian church into a mosque, quite another to get radical Islam to accept liberal democracy. Outside the Netherlands, however, the Left has yet to learn these lessons.”

Yes, yes, of course ‘the Left’ is too broad a phrase to describe what is a very broad church (and I’m often guilty of the same offense), but insofar as the author is talking about Europe’s ‘liberal’ consensus, he’s spot on. He’s also right to highlight the fact that the response of many in Europe's governing classeses to this challenge is to trample on the rights of the many in a gesture to the grievances of the extremist few.

“In Britain,” Browne notes, “the government wants to introduce laws supposedly to ban ‘incitement to religious hatred’ but which will inevitably be used by Islamic activists to silence criticism of their religion and culture.”

Note that this repellent piece of legislation is being proposed in a continent that likes to claim that, by re-electing Bush, the US is rejecting the Enlightenment.

The retreat from free speech is a process that has been taken furthest in Belgium, a country that is, quite simply, no longer a democracy, a country that should, in a just world, have no place in the EU, and should no longer have the privilege of hosting NATO.

Browne explains: “Democracy too is under attack, with Belgium’s largest political party, the Vlaams Blok, banned last week. Attracting a quarter of the vote in the Flemish region, the anti-immigration separatist party was disbanded because it fell foul of anti-racism laws; unable to beat it in public debate or at the polls, its left-wing opponents killed it in the supreme court. In western Europe in the 21st century, the Left is getting courts to ban political parties because they are too popular.”

What, I wonder, would Thomas Jefferson have thought about that?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: belgium; britain; dhimmitude; eu; eurabia; islam; koranimals; muslim; netherlands; theo; theovangogh; vangogh

1 posted on 11/23/2004 3:31:14 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73

Browne explains: “Democracy too is under attack, with Belgium’s largest political party, the Vlaams Blok, banned last week. Attracting a quarter of the vote in the Flemish region, the anti-immigration separatist party was disbanded because it fell foul of anti-racism laws; unable to beat it in public debate or at the polls, its left-wing opponents killed it in the supreme court. In western Europe in the 21st century, the Left is getting courts to ban political parties because they are too popular.”



Meanwhile, the Vlaams Blok (Flemish Block) have reformed as Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest Party) and are in a prime position to make even bigger gains in the next election. The Flemish Block platform is against non-western immigration, for Flemishization of Belgium or independence for Flanders and against seeing Flemish tax money disappear into the bottomless pit that is Wallonia*'s welfare system.

* Flanders and Wallonia form Belgium. Flanders, Luxemburg, parts of Wallonia and French Flanders used to form the United Province Republic along with the Netherlands.


2 posted on 11/23/2004 3:36:50 PM PST by William of Orange ("Da plan! Da plan! Da plan is to keep recounting until I win..." - JF'nK)
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To: swilhelm73
“In Britain,” Browne notes, “the government wants to introduce laws supposedly to ban ‘incitement to religious hatred’......."

Under this definition, they should have to ban the Koran first.

3 posted on 11/23/2004 3:38:21 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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To: swilhelm73
From the original article:
By curbing free speech and political parties, and demonising those who fight for gay rights and against domestic violence, the Left is telling the world that multiculturalism is incompatible with liberal democracy. snip

Just as communism could only be upheld by totalitarianism, so multiculturalism is being upheld by curbs on free speech and democracy.


4 posted on 11/23/2004 3:50:21 PM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: swilhelm73

I fear a huge war in looming in Europe's near-to-mid-future, with Islam. When the murderous Muslims unleash their Islamic death and destruction in the UK, Germany and France, all hell will break loose. The US will shortly follow Europe into the morass.

Theocratic vs secular, secular vs secular, theocratic vs theocratic. The battle is being formed, and soon, joined.

Ummm, nevermind; I'm just tired and positing too wildly. Time for some sleep.


5 posted on 11/23/2004 4:02:37 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: swilhelm73

is this the country that wanted to replace its military with a phone message "we surrender"????


6 posted on 11/23/2004 4:14:59 PM PST by camas
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To: 7.62 x 51mm
Personally I think that you are spot-on. With the EU becoming more and more an umbrella corporation of ex-soveriegn nations, and with the control of the parties of the "annointed" (-- see Thomas Sowell), I believe that Europe is setting the stage for a world war without equal and without traditional battle fields; to be fought amonst neighbors, in all the cities and and across all borders. The only qualm I have with your statement is that I believe the United States will have other more pressing concerns in regards to our own civil war, which I view to be in it's formative stages as we speak.

A simple Constitutional disagreement over the rights of States led to our first war between the states. Now we have an overwhelming religious, social and moral standoff that I cannot immagine can be resolved without force of arms (though at the same time I pray that I am wrong). Whichever way the wind blows, I can only stand up for what I believe in and hope that the worst does not come to pass.

7 posted on 11/23/2004 4:30:40 PM PST by sc2_ct (This is the way the world ends... not with a bang but a whimper)
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To: swilhelm73

Belgium is a pathetic excuse for a western country. Why does the international community continue to give that country hollow deference?


8 posted on 11/23/2004 4:38:00 PM PST by Norman Bates (Usama Bin Laden, 1957-2005)
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"...I believe the United States will have other more pressing concerns in regards to our own civil war, which I view to be in it's formative stages as we speak."

Please elaborate, s. Do you mean the Conservative vs Liberal Wars?


9 posted on 11/23/2004 4:42:39 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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Social and moral standoff that I cannot imagine can be resolved without force of arms.

LOL

Our side: US Armed Forces, cops, gun owners, farmers, cowboys, construction workers and moneymen.

Their side: Moneymen, gang bangers, anarchists, metrosexuals, university professors, Hollywood, and the Dixie Chicks.

I know were I am putting my money.

10 posted on 11/23/2004 4:55:43 PM PST by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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Attracting a quarter of the vote in the Flemish region, the anti-immigration separatist party was disbanded because it fell foul of anti-racism laws; unable to beat it in public debate or at the polls, its left-wing opponents killed it in the supreme court.

This seems to be a pretty common theme with leftists worldwide.

They get their buddies in the courts to rule what they can't get the voters to swallow.

We'll see if these disenfranchised voters decide the cartridge box is now their alternative to the ballot box.

11 posted on 11/23/2004 5:15:29 PM PST by Gritty ("Bush's redneck America is a more reliable long-term bet than enlighted Europe-Mark Steyn)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm
Con -vs- Lib? I really doubt there would be any contest.
Not beating my chest, just application of judgement & observation.
Neither do I believe Islam would ever be any more of a threat than it is now.
They can operate well as terrorists, making single strikes.
In ANY kind of a all-out war, say, as a result of ANOTHER 9/11 style incident- but say, nuclear...
Any 'war' against 'Islam' would more likely resemble the 1940's.
With them being herded up and re-settled like the Jew's in Germany!
By that I mean Europeans rounding up and shipping out their Islamicists...
12 posted on 11/23/2004 5:44:16 PM PST by 45semi (Man has only those rights he can defend...)
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Just wait 'til they pull a 'Beltway Sniper' stunt, with 50-100 2-man teams wreaking havoc all over the Nation. Remember the Fall of '02 in the VA-DC-MD area?

The 1940s will happen here and in Europe, and it's going to get real ugly. Bookmark this thread.


13 posted on 11/24/2004 2:04:50 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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