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Why Jan. 30th Won't Work (Iraqi Elections Sham Without America-hating Sunnis Alert)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 12/03/04 | Peter Galbraith And Leslie Gelb

Posted on 12/03/2004 2:17:41 PM PST by goldstategop

Postponing elections will be a terrible jolt to Iraq's long-suffering Shiites, who have seen democracy as providing them the fruits of their numerical majority. But regional elections will give the Shiites the self-government they desire without the burden of taking on an invigorated Sunni insurgency and a recalcitrant, but powerful, Kurdistan. To see what is possible in their own region, the Shiites need only look north to an increasingly prosperous Kurdistan that is today the only safe part of Iraq.

For Bush, postponing national elections would be a setback; he has leaned heavily on the upcoming vote to justify his Iraq policy. But as Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) said this week, the date should not be sacrosanct. Sham elections, held too soon, would only intensify Sunni Arab resistance and possibly tear the country apart.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democracy; iraq; iraqielection; jan30thelections; kurds; legitimate; lesliegelb; petergalbraith; postponement; shiites; sunnis
Today's kernel of wisdom from former Foreign Service eggheads (that's Foggy Bottom Wise Guys to you folks) is that Iraq's elections will be a sham if America-hating Sunnis don't participate. In other words, if the people who hate democracy and are killing our soldiers there don't want to vote we should accomodate them to keep them appeased - cause they would tear the country apart. And what's wrong with that exactly? See, we have liberals, educated liberals who believe Arabs aren't ready for democracy and pronounce so on the pages of the Los Angeles Times. Talk about arrogance. We'd never allow some other country to postpone our elections - heck, we even held one in the midst of the Civil War but holding elections on the appointed date in Iraq (a country our servicemen and women paid a high price to topple Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist totalitarian dictatorship) would anger an extremist minority that wants us to veto elections for them. Pace RINO Chuck Hagel, too many people have died and dying today for freedom - of course its sacrosanct. Now if I were a Shiite or a Kurd I would say to these obtuse gentlemen, its time to go and vote.
1 posted on 12/03/2004 2:17:42 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

The liberals positively HATE to see anything Bush does come to anything good so they will try to delegitimize every good thing he does with stupid rhetoric.


2 posted on 12/03/2004 2:21:17 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: goldstategop

Oh Great! GW needs to jump right on this! Advice from the LA Times! A veritable font of political obfuscation.


3 posted on 12/03/2004 2:21:23 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: goldstategop

L.A Times=Waste of ink


4 posted on 12/03/2004 2:23:34 PM PST by Edgerunner (The left ain't right. Hand me that launch pickle...)
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To: goldstategop

Anything from the LA Slimes can be discounted immediately. They had more reporters on Arnold's pecadillos and Bush's guard service than they have on the UN story, they're AWOL on that one.


5 posted on 12/03/2004 2:25:15 PM PST by Mister Baredog ((DO IT NOW, if you haven't put up a flag on your FR homepage yet,PLEASE))
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To: goldstategop

Leslie Gelb worked in the JIMMY CARTER White House, if I am not mistaken.


6 posted on 12/03/2004 2:26:01 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: Inyokern

I just listened to Gelb on John Gibson (FOX News)...he's a handwringer...


7 posted on 12/03/2004 2:28:07 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: goldstategop
(Iraqi Elections Sham Without America-hating Sunnis Alert)

The 1864 elections during the Civil War weren't a sham even if they not includ all the states.

8 posted on 12/03/2004 2:29:32 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: SE Mom

Today liberals are born pessimists... in their book, nothing can do right. And they wonder why they keep losing elections. I think they're afraid moderates might actually win a free election in Iraq and there goes their theory the country is an ungovernable hellhole. They certainly would like to keep it that way on the theory bad news for America is good news for them. And oh, talk about the irony of a free election in an Arab country on the date of Hitler's accession to power in Germany in 1933. There's one for the history books.


9 posted on 12/03/2004 2:32:42 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The liberals positively HATE to see anything Bush does come to anything good so they will try to delegitimize every good thing he does with stupid rhetoric...and the RINOs like Hagel, Snow and Chafee will act like an ECHO CHAMBER.

I expect stupidity from democrats but I have a greater dislike of traitors.


10 posted on 12/03/2004 2:34:10 PM PST by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: Paleo Conservative

Good point. 11 states were not voting in 1864 and in Iraq at the worst, 3 provinces won't vote. That doesn't make the election any less free or the winners any less legitimate. No one questioned Abraham Lincoln's re-election in a country in which Southern states were not participating in an American election.


11 posted on 12/03/2004 2:34:46 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Agreed...it's as if liberals think in terms of possibilities...and they're all awful!

Listening to Rush on the way home today- he had Roger standing in...some fellow called in wanting "us" to send more troops to Iraq...a MILLION more troops! HHAAAaaaaa!

The caller neglected to explain WHERE he thinks these million more ought to come from...but he was simply beside himself contemplating the terrible possibilities. Roger kept pointing out the progress made...but this guy wasn't having any. He's determined Iraq is a failure, period.


12 posted on 12/03/2004 2:54:51 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Exactly.


13 posted on 12/03/2004 3:34:58 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: goldstategop
The answer to these handwringers is two-fold.

1. As you pointed out, the U.S. conducted a binding election during the Civil War. If the Sunnis wish to boycott the election, simulating the South, and allow the winner to dictate terms, that is their choice.

2. Upon seeing the headline, I assumed the piece was written by journalist who should, of all people, appreciate the value of deadlines. Without them, nothing would be published. But upon realizing that we're dealing with Foggy Bottom weinies, I understand perfectly.

As a skilled manager, Bush knows that deadlines are how you get things done -- in business, in government, in life. If Bush and Allawi re-set the goal line to "when we're ready" -- which is what the liberals and the diplomatic set would do -- the vote would never come.

Let us see what the reaction in Sunniland is when they realize that the election is going to be held -- with them or without them. Then, the mullahs will be wanting Democrats to consult with them on "knock & drag" tactics.

14 posted on 12/03/2004 7:23:09 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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