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Poll: Over 50% of Germans equate IDF with Nazi army
Jerusalem Post ^ | Dec. 7, 2004 | Etgar Lefkowits

Posted on 12/07/2004 2:14:35 PM PST by Alouette

Six decades after the mass extermination of six million Jews in the Holocaust by Nazi Germany, more than 50 percent of Germans believe that Israel's present-day treatment of the Palestinians is similar to what the Nazis did to the Jews during World War II, a German survey released this weekend shows.

51 percent of respondents said that there is not much of a difference between what Israel is doing to the Palestinians today and what the Nazis did to the Jews during the Holocaust, compared to 49% who disagreed with such a comparison, according to the poll carried out by Germany's University of Bielefeld.

The survey also found that 68 percent of Germans believe that Israel is waging a "war of extermination" against the Palestinians, while some 32% disagreed with such a statement.

In a first reaction, the chairman of Yad Vashem's directorate Avner Shalev said Tuesday that the poll's results, which he termed "very worrisome," were indicative of a long-suppressed felling of anti-Semitism among the mainstream "so-called liberals" population which now, under the coating of anti-Israeli criticism, are becoming legitimate again. He added that the poll's results, which he said any objective person would repudiate, are also the result of the release of pent-up feelings of guilt built up from the Holocaust.

"The energies which bring about such answers come to protect feelings of guilt," Shalev said. 62 percent of respondents in the poll said that they were sick of "all this harping" of German crimes against Jews, while 68% said that they found it "annoying" that Germans today are still held to blame for Nazi crimes against Jews.

The survey, which aimed to determine what is "the cut off point" between criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism, finds that while "classical" anti-Semitism in Germany is on the wane, secondary anti-Semitism, often couched in anti-Israel views are on the rise, especially among the Left.

The German researchers who conducted the polls conceded that the results showing a majority of Germans equating Israel's Policy with Nazi Atrocities "may be worrying," but concurred with Yad Vashem's Shalev that the media coverage of the Israeli-Palestinians conflict has made such analogies part of the public discourse.

"When you see an image in the newspaper, in a caricature, which is repeated day in and day out that Sharon is equal to Hitler than the image catches in your head because maybe you do not like Jews so much or maybe you hate Jews, and than this works out excellent," Shalev said, stressing that education of the young generation was the key to stemming such a tide.

In the survey, 82 percent of the respondents polled said that they are angered by the way Israel is treating the Palestinians, while 45 percent of those polled said that considering Israel's policies it was "no surprise" that people were against them.

The telephone poll of 3000 "non-migrant" respondents, which was taken in May and June, did not come with a margin of error.

"This is a very sad commentary about what is happening in Europe today which needs to send a very strong warning signal about how much work needed to be done to deal with these attitudes," said, Dr. Ephraim Zuroff, the Israel director of the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center.

Due in part to its blighted history, Germany is generally considered to be one of the more supportive countries of Israel in Europe.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; fascism; germany; idf; islam; islamofascism
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51 percent of respondents said that there is not much of a difference between what Israel is doing to the Palestinians today and what the Nazis did to the Jews during the Holocaust

I can think of two differences.

1. German Jews were not going around blowing up trolley cars, beer halls and kindergartens in Germany.

2. The IDF is not conducting mass exterminations at the rate of several thousand per day.

1 posted on 12/07/2004 2:14:36 PM PST by Alouette
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2 posted on 12/07/2004 2:15:07 PM PST by Alouette ("Fundamentalist Islam" -- not "fun" just "demented"...)
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To: Alouette; Cacique

BOYCOTT GERMANY!


3 posted on 12/07/2004 2:15:27 PM PST by Clemenza (Gabba Gabba Hey!)
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To: Alouette

Remember this next time Europeans quote some poll (X% of Americans think Saddam behind 9/11, etc) which they say shows how stupid Americans are. This poll result demonstrates over 50% of Germans to be truly moronic.


4 posted on 12/07/2004 2:16:50 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Alouette

Thank you


5 posted on 12/07/2004 2:17:15 PM PST by anonymoussierra
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To: Alouette; All
51 percent of respondents said that there is not much of a difference between what Israel is doing to the Palestinians today and what the Nazis did to the Jews during the Holocaust

Then either the question is worded badly or 51% of Germans have no moral compass and are moral idiots.

6 posted on 12/07/2004 2:17:38 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: Alouette

No I think the people actually killing Jews are more like the Nazis.


7 posted on 12/07/2004 2:17:45 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Alouette

IDF won't lose


8 posted on 12/07/2004 2:18:37 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Alouette

I guess Germans would know what the Nazi's were like.


9 posted on 12/07/2004 2:18:41 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Alouette
ONE WORD: OUTRAGEOUS!!!
10 posted on 12/07/2004 2:20:03 PM PST by Mister Baredog (PLEASE be sure you have a flag up on your FReeper homepage.!!!)
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To: SF Republican

That's because they're content to protect their own small nation rather than looking to conquer other nations in the name of Lebensraum.


11 posted on 12/07/2004 2:20:43 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

That's what lack of education and morality will do to ya..

Really..


12 posted on 12/07/2004 2:21:39 PM PST by blakep
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To: Alouette

And they call Americans stupid? Do the German people even know what they did to the Jews during the Holocaust?


13 posted on 12/07/2004 2:22:15 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: Alouette

Looks like Germany's historical stupidity made it into the 21st Century. Who is their next Hitler?


14 posted on 12/07/2004 2:22:59 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I'm a monthly donor and all I get is this stupid tagline.)
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To: Alouette
I'm not a big fan of Israel, but I should think that it's obvious that Israel is NOT behaving in the same manner as the third reich.

The proof of that is self evident. Unlike European Jews the Palestineans are still alive.

15 posted on 12/07/2004 2:23:08 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: blakep

Until the threat of terrorism knocks at their door, they will keep thinking these outrageous, nonsensical thoughts. Terrorism is our problem, so they are not worried about it. When an attack happens on their soil, they will finally understand.


16 posted on 12/07/2004 2:23:18 PM PST by blakep
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To: Alouette

Another difference: The Jews that were persecuted and murdered in Germany were native to that country, they didn't come in from somewhere else and try to take over the native population, whereas the "Palestinians" aren't from Israel, but rather Jordan, Syria, the UAR, etc., and went to Israel at the urging of those countries. Arafat, an Egyptian, created the myth of the Arab Palestinian in order to have a front for his genocidal campaign against the Jews.


17 posted on 12/07/2004 2:23:27 PM PST by HenryLeeII (Democrats have killed more Americans than the Soviets and Nazis combined!)
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To: AMDG&BVMH

Ping.....


18 posted on 12/07/2004 2:24:45 PM PST by konaice
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To: Alouette

Touche. According to this poll, 51% of Germans are idiots, yet American liberals think those are the smart people that we should be imitating.


19 posted on 12/07/2004 2:25:29 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Alouette
All the Germans learned from the WWII is that it is evil to fight but they didn't learn that it is not evil to fight evil. I don't think a distinction is that hard to see.

I think, many European countries have lost not only their identities but, also, common sense. Sadly, they are turning into a society of petulant and infantile whiners.

20 posted on 12/07/2004 2:25:39 PM PST by aliquis
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