Posted on 12/08/2004 10:49:23 AM PST by cogitator
Instead of worrying about real pollution, we instead have focused on the boogyman of CO2.
There has to be something wrong here, China and India are exempt from Kyoto. This clearly means that these countries do not pollute. Substitute "US" anywhere you see China or India written. Everyone knows pollution is Bush's fault.
(/sarcasm off)
As far as the scientific study of current climate goes, that's essentially been proven. The arguments from global warming skeptics are now more focused on the amount of warming that will occur in this century, not IF warming will occur in this century. The position of the informed global warming skeptics is that the warming in this century will tend toward the minimum change indicated by climate models.
I beleive they are exempt from the Kyoto Protocols.
Btw...where are the pics of these massive clouds?
As you know, CO2 is part of the situation, but I support the position that technology and shifts in energy production methods will handle that. Smoke and soot emissions in developing countries are more easily mitigated and reducing them will have a more significant effect than paltry CO2 emissions controls.
Ahem...
North America Absorbing Carbon Dioxide At Surprisingly High Rate, Team Reports
"We know that we who reside in the United States emit about 6.2 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year," said Taro Takahashi, Doherty Senior Research Scientist, associate director of Lamont-Doherty, Columbia's earth sciences campus in Palisades, N.Y., and an author of the report. "As an air mass travels from west to east, it should receive carbon dioxide and the East Coast concentration of CO2 should be higher than on the West Coast.
"But observations tell us otherwise. The mean atmospheric CO2 concentration on the East Coast has been observed to be lower than that over the Pacific coast. This means that more CO2 is taken up by land ecosystems over the United States than is released by industrial activities."
I assume you're being humorous. Almost all of China is an ecological and environmental disaster area.
Exactly why the US was right in refusing to sign on the Kyoto Accords. Very skewed..against the US, of course.
Nonsense. Where's the baseline?
That is the assumption by religion of globull warmers, no one really knows the linkage between CO2 and tempreture. Since increases in CO2 usually lags increases in tempreture, the relationship if any would appear to be opposite of what is assumed.
Yup...looks like Switzerland is in trouble. Massive cloud all along the Italian border.
/sarcasm.
Seriously, China has he biggest aggregate problem and WE are the bad guys??
It is bs.
Surface observations indicate that the planet warmed about 0.6 C in the 20th century, 0.8 C since 1850, and about 0.4 C since 1980. The fairly-rapid warming since 1980 has been cited in numerous scientific studies as being at least partially caused by human (anthropogenic) factors, of which the most significant is greenhouse gas emissions from energy production.
"Kinda makes the Kyoto protocol look flakier than ever."
Yes - to most people. Bush and others have known for a long time that Asia and other poor countries exempt from Kyoto are major polluters (industry, cutting/burning rain forests for 2 years of crops, etc.).
Kyoto is bad science AND bad politics. Thank goodness Bush is sticking to his guns on this one even if the French will just hate us more.
If you're still interested in discussion of the differences between glacial-interglacial transitions and the current climate regime, I'm game. Are you really interested, or are you just going to blow off any scientific explanations that I offer?
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