Posted on 12/12/2004 12:13:17 PM PST by longtermmemmory
Committee hears about 'useless' radar
A parliamentary committee of inquiry has heard how a radar system Pasokbought has earned international condemnation as useless. Meanwhile, a $132million rebate for Russian missiles is still missing
EFTHYMIOS TSILIOPOULOS
Is he eating his cake, or having it? Defence Minister Spilios Spiliotopoulos was celebrating his birthday en route to Berlin on October 29. he has come under fire from socialists over a probe into past defence purchases
A parliamentary committee of inquiry into arms procurements under socialist governments heard military testimony damning to former defence minister Akis Tsochadzopoulos.
A US-made radar system Tsochadzopoulos selected for the army is "useless", retired major-general Pantelis Mavrodopoulos told the committee. Mavrodopoulos was head of the Greek army's artillery in May 1999, when Tsochadzopoulos ordered the purchase of six TPQ-37 radars for $108 million. Mavrodopoulos was in charge of assessing the system in a series of field tests.
Mavrodopoulos said of the two TPQ-37 systems Greece already possessed at the time: "We could not assess the radars because either one or the other broke down. We fixed them and half an hour later one or both broke down again. That worried me."
Technicians from the manufacturer, Raytheon, apparently called these "baby problems". Some were fixed but most persisted in trial after trial, Mavrodopoulos said.
Artillery radar pinpoints enemy guns by tracking the trajectory of incoming fire. Mavrodopoulos told the committee that the TPQ-37 couldn't register certain types of shells. When it did register fire, it could be off-mark by as much as half a kilometre, he said.
He also found that the TPQ-37 did not interact well with existing systems. "At one point I discovered that the airforce warning radar ISMAROS was jammed by the TPQ-37, which used the same transmitter tube, " he said. Mavrodopoulos explained that the reverse was also true; the airforce radar jammed the TPQ-37s.
A rival consortium led by Swedish firm Ericsson smelled blood. Tipped off by leaked information, they began badgering the ministry to favour their products, Arthur and Cobra. Mavrodopoulos said army representatives were impressed by tests of these systems, but he felt pressured to accept the faulty American radars.
"Pressure was everywhere from persons whose names I don't want to disclose, " said the general.
Mavrodopouls said that in light of the decision to purchase the TPQ-37 he pressed the manufacturer for 31 modifications and a discount, to which Raytheon agreed.
But there are some problems modifications cannot fix. Artillery radar is meant to be mobile so that it can travel with advancing infantry. But each TPQ-37 is made up of three trucks carrying a generator, an operations centre and the radar, respectively. The whole system needs an 8- to 12-man crew.
Furthermore, Mavrodopoulos, said: "This thing is 7.85 metres high and, if you go, say, to the beach you can see it 20km away. It takes 12 crew members to operate it and cannot keep memory for transfer. This radar cannot serve Greek artillery in any way."
Later he added: "There's just no way to pack this thing."
Unsuitable for combat
System performance of the TPQ-37 has become an issue with American troops in Iraq and Israelis in Lebanon.
An article by Megan Scully in the October 11 issue of Defense News said: "For members of the 1st Squadron, 3rd Armoured Cavalry Regiment, the 20-year-old AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder Weapon Locating System was more of a problem than an asset. The unit came under mortar fire 40 times in Iraq, but the system only detected rounds three times. The squadron suffered between 10 and 15 injuries from mortars."
The article quoted squadron leader Lt-Col Gregory Reilly as saying: "We stopped, we moved the radar around, the technical guys around worked the [software] programming. We tried everything humanly possible."
Defense News said the unit even fired its own mortars at the system in an attempt to work out the bugs. Even under the best circumstances, the radar detected only one out of five rounds.
In his testimony, Mavrodopoulos talks of his fact-finding visit with the Israeli artillery directorate. He said he visited the Lebanese border where the Israelis faced daily Hezbollah rocket attacks.
The general asked the Israeli colonel in command what they had been using as an artillery-locating system. The Israeli colonel's reply, as recounted by Mavrodopoulos, was: "We have three TPQ-37, which cannot locate." The colonel said he relied on a low-tech system. "We have an acoustic system that is very good, and at any time we can see where we are receiving fire from and we respond accordingly, " he said.
Tsochadzopoulos is under fire because he ordered the TPQ-37 systems directly from Raytheon without a competitive bid process and over the objections of his military staff.
Russian roulette
The committee also heard colourful testimony from former general director of armaments Ioannis Sbokos on November 30 and December 1. Sbokos attacked the socialists for not including him on the ballot in the last election, causing the ire of socialist deputy Evangelos Venizelos, a committee member.
The chair lost control for a while amidst outbursts from Pasok deputies. Accusations flew back and forth between ND and Pasok deputies and the committee had to be recessed for five minutes. The recess wasn't enough and tempers flared yet again.
The Sbokos testimony focused on the other system purchase that the committee is investigating, the Russian-made TOR-M1 surface-to-air missiles.
Unlike the TPQ-37 radar, the TOR-M1 is not under fire for its suitability, but for its cost. Sbokos told the committee the Greek government never claimed a $131.76 million rebate from the Russians, known as an offset. The rebate was written into the $818 million contract.
Greek law demands a letter of guarantee from a bank to back offsets. The Russian manufacturer Antei produced a Russian government letter of guarantee instead.
Sbokos said that incremental daily penalties foreseen in the contract mean Antei now owes the Greek government an astronomical amount in excess of $2 billion.
"On 15 August 2004, [the penalty] was $2,768,238,138... Some madman had the audacity not to make good on this contract with such penalties," he said, in an apparent reference to Antei.
The Russian offsets have been the subject of fierce media speculation in the past weeks, with the opposition-friendly press producing documents purporting to show the present defence minister, Spilios Spiliotopoulos, consenting to the contract signed by the socialists in 2000.
Venizelos produced a document he suggested proves that New Democracy is willing to trade away the accumulated debt. He said the document was an undated letter from the Greek defence ministry to the Russians forgiving the penalties. Venizelos was not asked how he acquired the document and its authenticity has not been verified.
Sbokos defended the choice of the Russian system on the grounds that it could be positioned on Cyprus - something Western manufacturers would not allow, for fear of overturning the region's strategic balance.
"The effort of the armed forces was to get a weapons system and gain an edge. If you don't gain one or two characteristics that give you an edge over your adversary, what's the point of buying? " he said
Between the lines, I suspect what really happened is that the socialists negotiated their kickbacks by agreeing to overpay for an outdated radar system.
Surprised to hear the ratheon system was such a pile of rubish though since American military equiptment is supposed to be so good.
Former employee BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!
/john
SO9
Strictly as a scientific type observation, our American politicians are a better class of liars than the greek politicians. (we may have paid $1000 for a military hammer but it was a damn good hammer)
So they seem to have corrected many of the "issues" being investigated like memory durability. Seems the socialists did not buy the upgraded system but instead paid for an outdated system with the anticipation that future upgrades (and bribes to government officials) would have to be budgeted.
ping
Reminds me of Claude Raines, "I'm shocked, shocked to think that gambling is going on in this establishment!" :)
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