Posted on 12/13/2004 9:51:59 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
When I was a Kid my dad called them Queers and Fruits...
They ruined the true meaning of Gay...
Damn it! and all this time I thought the sun was out at 3 a.m.... Damn it!
At least the fence-post knot-holers should agree with you.
Of course they, else they wouldn't.
There are those who propose that it is population-pressure driven.
I guess you have to know who these icons from pop culture are in order to "get it". I didn't recognize her because I've never seen her. Thankfully.
So she seems to have changed her mind . . .
I think that there are many people don't care a whit what sex person they are cavorting with. It it gets ya off, go for it.
I hear that many married women are going "bi" in order to get turned on without having affairs with men other than their husbands. Often with the moronic husbands going along so they can view other women having sex with their wives. It takes all kinds....
"Homophilia" does exist. The term was invented to describe patients who found themselves far more turned on by members of their own sex; Even though they were trying to be heterosexual, they just couldn't find members of their own sex attractive.
Homosexuality is a behavior. It was conflated with homophilia by the MSM so as to confuse terms; it is much easier to denounce homsexuality than homophilia. The Catholic church, for instance, finds homosexuality to be emphatically and categorically denounced in the bible, but has significantly more difficulties on the issue as to whether homophiles should be excluded from the priesthood. (Rome has said they should be, but has failed to discipline anyone from the American Church which nearly unanimously permits homophiles into the priesthood. Rome opposes the ordination of homophiles because it finds that the tremendous sacrifice of priestly celibacy (which is fantastically greater of a burden than simple abstinence) requires sexually and emotionally healthy persons.
I'm not sure that it is all that helpful to toss out what would likely be interpreted as derogatory names but the strangest thing about it to me is the way the term 'queer' has been almost marketed and foisted on the public - at least it sure appears that this term is trumpeted from the 'inside' as opposed to something that comes from the 'outside'. Oh right, I forgot - 'they' are celebrating their diversity, difference, uniqueness etc.
At some levels, the whole thing gets very basic. For example, what is a homosexual? The word gets tossed about as if everyone knows what it means.... but what does it really mean?
Love your tag line - so very true.
Ok for the science.
Now what about those teenagers who in puberty form strong attachments to the same sex? What about those teenagers who do not even realize that they are different in their attachments?
Do people really believe teenagers go out on a Saturday and say - "Gee, what can I do to make my peers hate me, bring utter scorn on me?"
I don't. I believe that something goes amiss somewhere along the line in puberty where they do not progress to the "discovering women" stage. I believe they live years of confusion as their friends form attachments to the other sex and they begin to realize they are somehow different from their friends as girlfriend situations are somehow forced to them.
They then drift into associations with other males not hooked up with girlfriends and trouble ensues.
I don't know what causes this - whether an early attack, a missing step in the sexual development stage or what.
But - ask any parent of a young gay person what they saw in the development of that child. I doubt you will find that that child decided willfully to be turned on by males and form strong attachments to males rather than females.
Ask any teenage girl why she is not attracted to her male gay friends sexually. I think you will find that there is just missing chemistry and it just does not take.
Who can explain chemistry among the sexes?
I agree there are choices. I agree that some "experiment" or seek gross diversions. But, in addition, there are the teenagers caught in this mess and we don't need to condemn them - we need answers to help them live in this world.
Homophilia (attraction to memners of one's own gender) may not be a choice; homosexuality (sexual relations with members of one's own gender) is. That said, even homosexuals culpability for their own sins may be somewhat lessened (but by no means eliminated!) by compulsive or addictive disorders.
Yeah, that's where the whole arguement falls apart. Are people born with leather-fetish or rubber-fetish or fill in the blank fetish? There are all sorts of odd things that turns on certain people, and the only real explaination for those is it is a learned behavior. Sexuality is a powerful positive reinforcement mechnism, and to discount its ability to shape ones sexuality is just plain ignorant.
We know rats get agressive it the population of the cage is too large. I think people do this too. I don't see how having lots of people (like in big cities) leads to homosexuality, birth control is available and lots of sex can be had. Homosexual men have lots of sex, because each has a partner with the sex drive of a male. Thus they are both males. but attracted not to females. I am not referring here to prison homosexuality, (where women are not available, that is another thing, and is not the kind of homosexuality we are talking about here.) But I would not propose that population pressure has anything to do with it other than high population will allow a larger base number of homosexuals (at the same percentage).
It brings more problems than it solves for young girls, I believe.
I disagree. What about all the years before society made it acceptable?
A study needs to be done of parents of gays and see what they noticed over the years of development.
Again - how many teenagers do you know that seek to choose options that bring scorn on them their entire lives? They just want to be accepted by their peers. They are not accepted - no matter what society attempts to do.
How could you get a young normal teenager to avoid girls and instead only be interested in relationships of the same sex. It could not be done.
I have not noticed young men sitting down and deciding they would like girls - not men. I have seen young men totally enamored of a young girl and you could not make them be able to ignore them.
Now why is this? Did you make a choice sexually? I seem to remember having boyfriends in the first grade - and I did not make a "choice".
Thanks for posting this.
I have long contended, based on my personal observations of the messed-up lives of people who come from abusive families, that the people who end of going off the reservation on this issue do so because of emotional, physical, and/or sexual abuse in their childhoods. It's not always the parents doing the abusing, sometimes it's Uncle Joe or the neighbor or another adult, oh, say, a parish priest or a camp counselor, etc. But if a child is smashed up and pressed out of measure, he's not going to grow up strong and sturdy like children who are well-loved, properly nurtured, and have good role models.
My $.02.
Oh, I forgot - I am a female - not a male. Don't want to add confusion to our discussion.
I would also throw in the pedophiles. Are they born with a lust for little girls and boys? Is there a gene we can isolate for that? It all falls under the same heading. I do not think it is natural in any of these cases, but of course that is just my opiniion.
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