Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: snarks_when_bored
But, as a 'negative atheist' (or, if you will, agnostic) ...

Definition problems here. I suspect Flew knows the definitions better than we do. I always thought the agnostic couldn't take a position at all, because he was unable to decide the matter. The atheist comes in two flavors. Flew's kind of "negative atheist" decides that he doesn't believe. That's not the same as saying that there definitely are no gods to believe in. There's the "positive atheist" (using Flew's term, I suppose) who declares that gods do not exist. That's the most extreme position, and quite different from Flew's non-belief. Presumably, Flew is open to the presentation of argument and evidence.

51 posted on 12/13/2004 4:43:41 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies ]


To: PatrickHenry
Sorry, I was away from my computer for a while and missed your post. Please see this later post written in response to beavus:

Post #63

64 posted on 12/13/2004 7:43:21 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

To: PatrickHenry
He does specifically indicate that he takes the term "atheism" literally. That is, "a-" = "without". Therefore, he claims to be without theism, or literally, "atheism" = "without belief in a god". So, the literal meaning is much softer than the emotions the word instills in theists.

Along the same lines, "agnostic" = "without knowledge" (of a god). Although a word's meaning can change with usage, its meaning is often best taken from the person who coined the term. Here's a nice explaination from AHED:

The term agnostic was fittingly coined by the 19th-century British scientist Thomas H. Huxley, who believed that only material phenomena were objects of exact knowledge. He made up the word from the prefix a-, meaning “without, not,” as in amoral, and the noun Gnostic. Gnostic is related to the Greek word gnosis, “knowledge,” which was used by early Christian writers to mean “higher, esoteric knowledge of spiritual things”; hence, Gnostic referred to those with such knowledge. In coining the term agnostic, Huxley was considering as “Gnostics” a group of his fellow intellectuals —“ists,” as he called them —who had eagerly embraced various doctrines or theories that explained the world to their satisfaction. Because he was a “man without a rag of a label to cover himself with,” Huxley coined the term agnostic for himself, its first published use being in 1870.
So, agnosticism is most properly assigned to those who merely admit having no “higher, esoteric knowledge of spiritual things”. It's a weak statement (all atheists are agnostics, but not vica versa), but differs from atheism only for people who can believe in things of which they have no knowledge. Thus the distinction between atheism and agnosticism is dubious.

The distinction is really only useful when communicating with theists. One term elicits more negative emotions from theists than the other term.

67 posted on 12/13/2004 9:10:51 PM PST by beavus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson