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GIRL WRESTLER: Should girls and boys should be able to wrestle on the same mat?
Independent Lens / PBS ^ | 12/17/2004 | Diane Zander

Posted on 12/19/2004 12:59:24 AM PST by quietolong

Girl Wrestler

Texas teenager Tara Neal insists that girls and boys should be able to wrestle on the same mat.

Filmmaker Diane Zander follows Neal through the last year in which state guidelines allow her to wrestle boys.

It's a year filled with family conflict, pressure to cut weight and fierce policy debates over Title IX, which grants women's athletics proportionality in public schools

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cauliflowerear; ringworm; sports; title9; titleix; wrestling
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To: BOOTSTICK

LOL

that isnt my experience in a wrestling crazy state but ok whatever you say....

being from Ohio, wrestling is only really behind football, especially in the high school I went too.

All of the wrestlers held the pro/fake wrestlers in contempt if someone tried to say it was real. Even the pro/fake wrestlers say it is fake. It isnt anyone's goal that they are in amateur wrestling just to make it to the pros. thats a joke and certainly the 1% of the wrestlers out there that are girls are doing to prove it to themselves and everyone else that they can hang, not to become professional wrestlers. What a joke....


61 posted on 12/19/2004 3:33:21 AM PST by MikefromOhio (22 days until I can leave Iraq and stop selling hotdogs in Baghdad....and boycotting boycotts)
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To: blanknoone
Maybe he handled it wrong?. After pinning her he should have at least attempted to kiss her on the cheek, in a conciliatory way. Then pounded both fists air ward in victory!
62 posted on 12/19/2004 3:37:22 AM PST by BOOTSTICK (MEET ME IN KANSAS CITY)
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To: BOOTSTICK
From your tag-line, can I assume that you're in KC? If so, you might want to check out the work that Bob Thurman does. He's got classes where he teaches "street fighting" for self defense, rather than "martial arts."

I can't vouch for how effective his classes are, but Bob "Thunder" Thurman was one of the best in full contact competition.

There is a huge difference between competition MA and defensive fighting. And the most important thing that anyone can have, more so than a gun or any sort of MA training is SA... "Situational Awareness." While MA training or having a CCW is helpful in defending yourself, if you're in a situation where you can't act to defend yourself, you've already lost.

Mark

63 posted on 12/19/2004 3:39:53 AM PST by MarkL (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too!)
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To: MikeinIraq
All of the wrestlers held the pro/fake wrestlers in contempt if someone tried to say it was real. Even the pro/fake wrestlers say it is fake.

First off, let me state for the record that I do NOT watch "Professional Wrestling!" Now that I've got that out of the way, I would NEVER call that stuff "fake." Many of these "entertainers" are excellent athaletes. I would call it scripted, and planned out in advance, but not fake.

Mark

64 posted on 12/19/2004 3:45:20 AM PST by MarkL (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too!)
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To: MarkL
Actually I'm in Tampa, Florida. I'm sure this Thurman guy is double tough, and I'm sure his techniques work well for a 200 lb man, but I can assure you If some women tried his techniques on let's say a 250 purse snatcher, chances are she would piss off her assailant, and only have better odds of winding up in a hospital.The reality of the street trumps the claims of "street fighters"
65 posted on 12/19/2004 3:46:05 AM PST by BOOTSTICK (MEET ME IN KANSAS CITY)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Given how much gripping and touching is involved (though it is not sexual) in wrestling.

I competed in freestyle in high school. We were lucky enough to have a recent immigrant from Denmark who was the Danish national junior champion. Before he arrived their was no wresling program in our city below University competition.

One of the first things I had to learn was how to put 'intimate contact' out of my mind while competing.

Freestyle is very up close and personal.


66 posted on 12/19/2004 3:49:44 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: goldstategop

I'm glad she did her own stunts - but that doesn't have anything to do with martial arts or fighting. When you throw a punch in TV land, you do NOT connect. It is kind of like when Kevin Sorbo (sp? - Hercules) was lifting in a gym and one of the guys said, "You aren't that strong!" "Darn it," Kevin replied, "Guess that means my Dad wasn't really Zeus, either!"

If martial arts aren't practiced as full-contact & competitive, then it is just a cross between ballet and wishful thinking!


67 posted on 12/19/2004 3:59:17 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: quietolong

When I was in highschool around50 years ago, nothing would have tempted me more to join the wrestling team than to get to wrestle a girl. Actually I think it's pretty funny, the weaker sex wanting to wrestle a man, what on earth?


68 posted on 12/19/2004 4:06:38 AM PST by garylmoore (God Bless you W, you have prevailed.)
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To: MarkL

It is fake in terms of storylines and stuff...

the physical contact is for real though, you are correct....

people really get messed up.


70 posted on 12/19/2004 4:24:39 AM PST by MikefromOhio (22 days until I can leave Iraq and stop selling hotdogs in Baghdad....and boycotting boycotts)
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To: quietolong
I'm not kidding when I'd say I'd be concerned about of "aspects of male sensitivity" here. I'm sorry, but as I see "close contact sports" with a lady, well, there shoudn't be any witnesses. I coudn't...wouldn't do it in public.

To sum it up, I feel it's completely unfair and innappropriate. You can't just "stop" wood, people...

"Think about baseball...No! Think about Hillary...No...Helen Thomas in a tanga...Helen Thomas in a tanga....1-2-3-PIN!!!"

I'm just not a "modern" guy...

71 posted on 12/19/2004 5:02:37 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: BOOTSTICK
This wise ass chick decides to go full bore and tries to K.O. the then retired, former Karate World champion,

I may have seen that match.

I recall a female karate champ goading a male champ into a match.
She was very agressive, he basically defending himself.

She kept up the goading until he finally indicated his willingness to really fight.

The match lasted about 3 more seconds. He overpowered her instantly.

It shut her up.

72 posted on 12/19/2004 5:51:20 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: quietolong
I remember the first time I lost at wrestling with a girl.
She got me in a scissor grip.

I lost every wrestling event with a girl after that. Always in the same move.
I am a slow learner . :)

73 posted on 12/19/2004 6:00:21 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: quietolong

As long as girls don't expect any special treatment or qualification easements, I expect it's OK. They also have to remember that if they want to be on a boys' team, boys will be boys sometimes, so either put your foot down (not a lawyer's), suck it up, or find yourself a girls' team.


74 posted on 12/19/2004 6:46:47 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: Vinnie
Well this was actually an exhibition, but the female thought she could wind up with a feather in her cap {knocking out the former world champ} and instead one spinning kick to her head literally sent her out of the ring and onto queer street. ABC Wide World Of Sports circa 1972
75 posted on 12/19/2004 6:47:24 AM PST by BOOTSTICK (MEET ME IN KANSAS CITY)
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To: quietolong

Boys and girls have been wrestling on the same mats same Adam and Eve. What's the big deal?


76 posted on 12/19/2004 6:54:35 AM PST by rock58seg (Real Conservatives don't care what McCain thinks.)
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To: Mr Rogers
Really? Then what do you say about Chuck Norris' stunts on Texas Ranger? In real life, he's a martial arts champion. And he does put down guys much bigger than he is. No one messes with a Texas Ranger, LOL!
77 posted on 12/19/2004 6:58:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: BOOTSTICK
Actually I'm in Tampa, Florida. I'm sure this Thurman guy is double tough, and I'm sure his techniques work well for a 200 lb man, but I can assure you If some women tried his techniques on let's say a 250 purse snatcher, chances are she would piss off her assailant, and only have better odds of winding up in a hospital.The reality of the street trumps the claims of "street fighters"

Actually, what Bob teaches is NOT to be used against "purse snatchers." What he teaches is situational awareness (i.e. making sure you never get into a vulnerable situation), and what to do when you're life is in danger, and you have no other choice. Bob was PKA (full contact) middle weight world champion for 9 years, and retired when his wife was attacked and nearly murdered in a parking lot. Once he nursed her back to health, he began working with her on "last line of defense" techniques. Nearly all of what he teaches is close quarter, grappling techniques, most of which will cause permanent damage and some even death. One example is keeping your car keys in your fist in such a way to allow gouging someone in the eyes with your keys, blinding them. Again, these are things that would only be used when you feel your life is in danger already, and there's no other chance of getting out of it.

There's no guarantee that his techniques will work, but then there's no guarantee that having a CCW will protect you either.

Mark

78 posted on 12/19/2004 7:03:01 AM PST by MarkL (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too!)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Hmmm. . .good point. . .how long before the first female wrestler complains that her opponent grabbed he in a manner he didn't have to?
79 posted on 12/19/2004 7:35:56 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2

yep....see my #24


80 posted on 12/19/2004 8:58:16 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (REMEMBER THE ALGOREAMO--relentlessly hammer on the TRUTH, like the Dems demand recounts)
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