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UNRAVELING THE MARRIAGE KNOT IN SCANDINAVIA
NCPA Daily Policy Digest ^ | Dec. 23, 2004 | Noelle Knox

Posted on 12/23/2004 9:22:21 AM PST by bruinbirdman

Marriage is becoming increasingly uncommon in Scandinavian countries such as Norway, Sweden and Denmark, say observers.

Unlike America, marriage is widely seen as an inconvenience across Scandinavia, providing very few benefits -- social or economic -- and imposing too large a commitment on families.

Observers say advances in birth control, the rise of feminism, and the decline of religion have all contributed to the increase in cohabitation and out-of-wedlock births:

In addition, observers note, Scandinavian governments choose to subsidize this lifestyle, introducing numerous laws to help families who are not married. For example, about two-thirds of single mothers in Sweden receive housing allowances and many others receive “maintenance allowances” to support their children.

Source: Noelle Knox, “Nordic Family Ties Don't Mean Tying the Knot,” USA Today, December 15, 2004.

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1 posted on 12/23/2004 9:22:22 AM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

"But there's no knot, no not for me" Gershwin


2 posted on 12/23/2004 9:24:07 AM PST by Bertha Fanation
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To: bruinbirdman
"In addition, observers note, Scandinavian governments choose to subsidize this lifestyle, introducing numerous laws to help families who are not married. For example, about two-thirds of single mothers in Sweden receive housing allowances and many others receive “maintenance allowances” to support their children."

And this is the direction the United States is heading. We don't want to go there, now do we?

3 posted on 12/23/2004 9:25:35 AM PST by TAdams8591 (Not to be confused with tdadams!!!!)
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To: bruinbirdman

This is what the ACLU has in mind for America.


4 posted on 12/23/2004 9:25:56 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: bruinbirdman

Small wonder Europe is falling to the Islamic invaders.


5 posted on 12/23/2004 9:29:17 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: sgtbono2002

The interesting and also very sad fact is those countries will not realise what happened until it's too late.

50% illigitimatcy? Official Government support for single mothers?

To a liberal this sounds like a dream come true.

Wait till the $bill$ arrives.


6 posted on 12/23/2004 9:30:05 AM PST by TheShaz (If the Kerry Campaign was the movie TITANIC - this would be the scene where the rats are running.)
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To: bruinbirdman
A letter to my pastor that touches on this:

What makes a good Christian when it comes to choosing a ruler or can government do the work of God?

What I have read and understood from the Bible is that God and Jesus wants us to help each other by using our own time, treasure and talent and to give from our hearts. Nowhere have I found anything along the lines of “Go out and institute huge bureaucracies that will take money from some people at the point of a sword and give that money to other people as a politician sees fit.”

Our Founding Fathers were Christian and very pious men. They founded this country under strong Judeo-Christian tenets and reflected on their religious beliefs on all their decisions. They wrote nothing into the Constitution of any type of government “aid” to help the poor, children or anyone else on purpose. They wanted a very limited government for good reason. Limited government is the best way to ensure that freedom will be preserved. The Scottish philosopher Alexander Tytler, who lived during the time of the American Revolution and writing of the US Constitution, summed these views:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure.

From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years.

These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

There are many interesting questions if citizens rely on government to do “God’s Work.”

If a government takes a portion of a man’s wages and does good with it, has the man also done good? If a government takes away a portion of a woman’s property and does evil with it, has the woman also done evil? When a rich man pays more in taxes than a poor person, is he more Godly? If the government then does evil, is he more to blame? A woman works for the government and uses other people’s tax money and does “God Work” with it, is this government woman now a good/Godly woman? If I legally try to avoid paying taxes, does that not make me an “Ungodly” man?

Today, the US government takes nearly 50% of a middle-class person’s paycheck after all taxes are factored in (income taxes, Social Security, sales tax, real estate taxes, gas tax, death taxes, phone taxes, highway tolls, sad etc.). Uncle Sam will spend more money in just this year (2004) than it spent combined between 1787 and 1900 - even after adjusting for inflation. I cringe at those numbers. The Founding Fathers wanted nothing like the tax-consuming monster that we have as a government today. I also think of all the good work that could have be done if people were allowed to keep more of their own money and give it to organizations/people that they believe in their heart are doing God’s work. Maybe it comes down to trust. Will people do the right thing with their own money or must a government take a huge chunk of it to do the “right things?”

Except government rarely does anything right except for those tasks that were explicitly outline in the Constitution as the Founding Father intended. I could cite many examples (such as where would you rather put $10,000 in retirement money - in Social Security or in your own 401k plan?) but the plight of black America illustrates this failure beyond comparison.

In 1965, the US government was going to wipe out poverty by the “Great Society” programs, in which to date over 3.5 trillion dollars has been spent. These federal programs were designed to “help families and children” or “buy votes” depending on your political viewpoint.

At the beginning of the 1960’s, the black out of wedlock birth rate was 22%. In the late 1975 it reached 49% and shot up to 65% in 1989. In some of the largest urban centers of the nation the rate of illegitimacy among blacks today exceeds 80% and averages 69% nationwide. As late as the 1970’s there was still a social stigma attached to a woman who was pregnant outside marriage. Now, government programs have substituted for the father and for black moral leadership. The black family and culture has collapsed (and white families are not that far behind).

Illegitimacy leads directly to poverty, crime and social problems. Out of wedlock children are four times more likely to be poor. They are much more likely to live in high crime areas with no hope of escape. In turn, they are forced to attend dangerous and poor-performing government schools, which directly leads to another generation of poverty.

Traditional black areas of Harlem, Englewood and West Philadelphia in the 1950s were safe working class neighborhoods (even though “poor” by material measures). Women were unafraid to walk at night and children played unmolested in the streets and parks. Today, these are some of the worst crime plagued areas of our nation. Work that was once dignified is now shunned. Welfare does not require recipients to do anything in exchange for their benefits. Many rules actually discourage work or provide benefits that reduce the incentive to find work.

The black abortion rate today is nearly 40%. Pregnancies among black women are twice as likely to end in abortion as pregnancies among white and Hispanic women.

The “Great Society” programs all had good intentions. Unfortunately, their real world result are that they have replaced the traditional/Christian models of family/work with that of what a government bureaucrat thinks it should be.

I could make an excellent argument that if the US government had hired former grand wizards of the KKK to run the “Great Society” programs, and if they had worked every day from 1965 to today without rest, they could have hardly have done better in destroying black America than the “Works of God” that the government has done or is trying to do.

I have visited many countries in which the government “guarantees” that everyone has a job, a place to live, education, health care and cradle to grave “government help” for all children and families. It all sounds great except that the people in these countries are/were miserable. They wanted to escape but were forced by their governments, at the end of a gun, to stay. The “worker’s paradises” of socialist and communist counties are chilling reminders of letting governments do “God’s Work.”

The Bible clearly states that we are to help those in need. The question is “Who should help those in need?” I firmly believe that scripture and the historical evidence strongly support that individuals, private organizations and churches should be the ones doing the heavy lifting. Government help should be the last resort.

Very Sincerely,

2banana

7 posted on 12/23/2004 9:30:22 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: bruinbirdman
It's common knowledge that these societies are committing cultural suicide.

I keep thanking my ancestors for leaving Scandinavia for the New World!
9 posted on 12/23/2004 9:30:51 AM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
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To: bruinbirdman

When individuals make no claim to family then the State becomes the defacto family and assumes all parental responsibility (or lack thereof). How can people so willing sell themselves into slavery at so cheap a price?


10 posted on 12/23/2004 9:31:44 AM PST by Socratic (Death be not proud - but put on clean underwear.)
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To: bruinbirdman
The rate in the United States is a comparatively low 35 percent. That's nothing to crow about. 35% out of wedlock births is not good. Not good at all.
11 posted on 12/23/2004 9:33:55 AM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
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To: white_pyth0n

I smell kitties. Keep your links to yourself, troll.


12 posted on 12/23/2004 9:35:11 AM PST by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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The rate in the United States is a comparatively low 35 percent.

Woohoo! We rock!
14 posted on 12/23/2004 9:35:56 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: white_pyth0n; MeekOneGOP; Old Sarge; eyespysomething

Clean up on this ridiculous aisle


15 posted on 12/23/2004 9:36:34 AM PST by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: bruinbirdman

Observers say advances in birth control...have all contributed to the increase in cohabitation and out-of-wedlock births:

I'm very curious how advances in birth control could increase out-of-wedlock births????


16 posted on 12/23/2004 9:38:39 AM PST by 3Lean
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Q: "who's your daddy?"

A: the guvmint..

17 posted on 12/23/2004 9:39:30 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: white_pyth0n

What does that have to do with this subject? Art thee a TROLL?


18 posted on 12/23/2004 9:44:02 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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... imposing too large a commitment on families.

Too large a commitment? You mean, actually being a family is too large a commitment? No wonder these folks are worthless on matters of defense. They can't even commit to a marriage for their kids, how can we expect them to commit life and/or limb for freedom?

19 posted on 12/23/2004 9:44:28 AM PST by workerbee
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What a bunch of bastards. Sorry, just couldn't resist! :=)


20 posted on 12/23/2004 9:47:29 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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