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Weighing the Evidence: An Atheist Abandons Atheism
BreakPoint with Charles Colson ^
| January 10, 2005
| Charles Colson
Posted on 01/10/2005 2:47:28 PM PST by Mr. Silverback
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
Also,,, in the book of PSALMS,,, chapter 53 " The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart, there is no GOD "
To: Sola Veritas; Fester Chugabrew
He quite logically, as many of us have, realized that when macro evolution is presented as a totally naturalistic mechanism (requiring no God) to account for the total diversity of life we observe in the present and in the fossil record, then a naturalistic origens of life is also implied. If there is no creator/designer, then life had to evolve/form from non-life. I only have one word to say to that...
BINGO!
The basic rhetorical strategy for evolution these days is to wait until a person questioning the theory comes up with a good point, and then say, "Well, evolution doesn't address that." A nice parry, but the bottom line is that macro evolution either has to explain (or at least have some bloody opinion on) how life got here or it has to admit that intelligent design is as good an explanation as any.
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01/10/2005 8:30:50 PM PST
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Mr. Silverback
(Why the heck isn't Randy Moss properly potty trained?)
To: Mr. Silverback
The basic rhetorical strategy for evolution these days is to wait until a person questioning the theory comes up with a good point, and then say, "Well, evolution doesn't address that." A nice parry, but the bottom line is that macro evolution either has to explain (or at least have some bloody opinion on) how life got here or it has to admit that intelligent design is as good an explanation as any.
Why does evolution have to explain exactly how the first life got here? Because you say so?
Evolution has never addressed the ultimate origins of life. Even in Darwin's Origin of the Species, the process of evolution was written as something that occured after the first life forms appeared on Earth.
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01/10/2005 8:38:27 PM PST
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Dimensio
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Dylsexics Book of PSLAMPS...chapter 35 "The fool hath said in his threat, there is no DOG"
To: NYer
Great article, thanks.
Bookmarked.
To: Sola Veritas
Yup,,,, it's the Holy Spirit's job to move on someones heart to change and accept God's plan of salvation through Jesus Christ.
There is NO ONE beyond the love, mercy, grace and redemption power of GOD.
To: narby
Although a great many people on FR seem to believe that God doesn't have the power to have created evolution. I've never come across anybody who believed that, though there are plenty who see how silly the idea of theistic evolution is, at least when it's combined with Christianity. Death came into the world along with sin, but if evolution is true, we climbed up a mountian of death before we ever grew brains.
They apparently think God put all that evidence out there just to fool us.
Oh, evidence like irreducible complexity?
Like the death of Mark Twain, the stories about how Evolution is being reject by scientists have been greatly exagerated.
Some people are slow to give up their religion.
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01/10/2005 8:49:54 PM PST
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Mr. Silverback
(Why the heck isn't Randy Moss properly potty trained?)
To: Mr. Silverback
First, he recognized that evolutionary theory has no reasonable explanation for the first emergence of living from non-living matterthat is, the origin of life. Second, even if a living cell or primitive animal had somehow assembled itself from non-living chemicals, he reasoned it would have no ability to reproduce. Why is this rocket science to grasp?? Didn't we "know" this to be true when we were children....before we got doused with major brainwashing by evolutionist teaching? A perfectly intelligent man finally gets it after 81 years.
To: Red Sea Swimmer
Maybe that's why they can understand the RUSSIAN language better ?
To: spitlana
Why is this rocket science to grasp??
Well, a lot of people never study evolution and as such they never learn that the theory of evolution does not, in any way, address the emergence of living cells from non-living matter, and it never has. Many creationists attempt to attack evolution based upon this premise, not realising that they don't understand evolution at all.
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01/10/2005 9:00:40 PM PST
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Dimensio
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To: narby
One of the concepts in evolution is the random mutation of genes. Sing out as soon as you can produce a benficial mutation.
I'm just amazed to think that there are people who think that God could not have been smart enough to set up the system of evolution in the first place.
I'm amazed you are (no offense, but there's no other way to put it) dumb enough to think that Creationists reject evolution because we think God is dumb, or in some way incompetent. It's not that He couldn't, it's that He didn't, and the signs were clear long before Behe and company came along.
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01/10/2005 9:01:17 PM PST
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Mr. Silverback
(Why the heck isn't Randy Moss properly potty trained?)
To: narby
Then you can see that this argument over evolution is really between believers who merely interpret Genesis in different ways. Wrong answer.
It is between those who believe Christian doctrine, and those who are willing to rewrite it.
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01/10/2005 9:06:25 PM PST
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Mr. Silverback
(Why the heck isn't Randy Moss properly potty trained?)
To: Mr. Silverback
Kinda comforting to know you'll never see the headline:
"WEIGHING THE EVIDENCE: A CHRISTIAN ABANDONS CHRISTIANITY"
"No one can snatch them out of my Father's hand..."
To: shubi
The conclusion of the thread is that ID is only a religion and has no scientific validity. Funny, that's my conclusion about evolutionists.
Got a link for the previous thread...or are you just whistling Dixie??
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01/10/2005 9:16:47 PM PST
by
Mr. Silverback
(Why the heck isn't Randy Moss properly potty trained?)
To: Blue Collar Christian
Are you implying that there has never been an instance of a Christian losing his or her faith?
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01/10/2005 9:19:58 PM PST
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Dimensio
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To: shubi
What data has ID collected? I know of none other than misinterpreted Bible verses. Surely, you jest.
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01/10/2005 9:28:03 PM PST
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Mr. Silverback
(Why the heck isn't Randy Moss properly potty trained?)
To: Dimensio
Are you implying that there has never been an instance of a Christian losing his or her faith? Wow. A literalist among the Evos...
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01/10/2005 9:34:43 PM PST
by
Mr. Silverback
(Why the heck isn't Randy Moss properly potty trained?)
To: Red Sea Swimmer
Did you hear the one about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac? he'd sit up all night, wondering if there's a Dog.
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01/10/2005 9:36:30 PM PST
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Mr. Silverback
(Why the heck isn't Randy Moss properly potty trained?)
To: Mr. Silverback
I do not understand the relevance of your response to my quesiton.
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01/10/2005 9:43:30 PM PST
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Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
Actually, even my pastor has related his "loosing his faith" story with us, so I shouldn't imply that a Christian cannot loose his/her faith. I stand..er..sit here corrected. In saying that, I would say my hypothetical headline actually COULD exist. It's just that even the Christian that obviously can abandon his faith will not be abadoned by God. That is, he/she cannot undo his/her being born again.
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