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1 posted on 01/17/2005 12:20:06 AM PST by nickcarraway
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Leftists talking to Leftists. Now there's a start in the Democrats' quest to reconnect to Flyover Country Americans! (laughing)


2 posted on 01/17/2005 12:23:05 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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"Failure makes you reassess," he said. "The Democratic Party has increasingly had a problem as being perceived as secular fundamentalists."

Since the core fundamentals of the democrat party are exactly what they are perceived to be it is clear that their intent is not to change but to mask the truth.

3 posted on 01/17/2005 12:24:00 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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Ooh, looks like they want to play bait-and-switch. What else is new...


4 posted on 01/17/2005 12:25:00 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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James P. Manley, a spokesman for the Senate minority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, said the reason Mr. Reid, a Mormon, had invited Mr. Wallis to speak was obvious. "It is clear from the results of the election that we Democrats need to be much more forceful and clear in communicating their faith and values to the electorate," Mr. Manley said.

Oh, but ya'all were very clear: you have no faith or values.

7 posted on 01/17/2005 12:29:24 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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Mr. Wallis, a registered Democrat, told the senators that the Bible contains more than 3,000 references to alleviating poverty.

The Bible is also quite clear that 10% of your income should be sufficient to address the problem. How will the demonrats squirm around that? Propose reducing taxes so that all transfer payments = 10% of income? I'd like to see them try (no, really, I would).

8 posted on 01/17/2005 12:31:47 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force, dangit)
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John Kerry went to every church he could find that would let him in ...

There were pictures of it weekly

The left STILL doesn't get it

11 posted on 01/17/2005 12:35:23 AM PST by Mo1 (Does the distinguished Sen from VT wish to act as our treaty rep. for negotiations with Al Queda?)
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More lib book deals and conveniently coordinated DNC tactics...


12 posted on 01/17/2005 12:38:28 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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Mr. Reid, a Mormon

Mormon Democrat. That should be an oxymoron (as opposed to an oxyMormon), but it's not. Still, it was good to see Bush win Utah by a higher margin than any other state.

14 posted on 01/17/2005 12:41:56 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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Heh. So, now, after YEARS of making fun of social conservatives, now the 'rats are going to try to APPEAL to them??

Rotsa Ruck.

15 posted on 01/17/2005 12:43:53 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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James P. Manley, a spokesman for the Senate minority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, said the reason Mr. Reid, a Mormon, had invited Mr. Wallis to speak was obvious. "It is clear from the results of the election that we Democrats need to be much more forceful and clear in communicating their faith and values to the electorate," Mr. Manley said.

Uh, sure...

When Harry Met Roe [Reid is not pro-life]

16 posted on 01/17/2005 12:44:18 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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So now the scumbag Democrats are going to revise the Bible and proclaim Jesus a big-government socialist. They will paint him as a typical Demcorat: an athiest, a drunken pornographer, and an abortion enthusiast. Finally, they'll claim He was a homosexual. The scumbag Democrats will stop at nothing.


33 posted on 01/17/2005 1:16:41 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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Moral Absolutes Ping.

Actually it's pretty funny. They dredge up some leftist Democrats who claim allegiance to religious denominations in order to whitewash the Dem's leftist agenda; to make it look as though there's some kind of religious morality involved.

It's like watching someone trip over their own feet over and over again.

I wonder if anyone will be fooled?

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.

Note: if they really believed that alleviating poverty was a religious duty, they'd let people keep more of their own money, so they could donate more to churches and private charities who help the poor.


35 posted on 01/17/2005 1:20:51 AM PST by little jeremiah (The "Gay Agenda" exists only in the minds of little jeremiah and his cohort. - Modern Man)
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Oh... Democrats look to the polls to see if they should be religious... Now I understand. So when the Muslim population in the US grows they will become Muslim? My guess is yes...


37 posted on 01/17/2005 1:24:35 AM PST by Echo Talon
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The rats keep trying to hitch their broken wagons up to dead and dying donkeys.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1322238/posts

Democrat Implosion
Mens News Daily ^ | January 16, 2005 | Rudy Takala


Posted on 01/16/2005 9:29:28 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy


As the day of President Bush’s inauguration draws near, liberal organizations seem to be on the brink of implosion; they don’t know what policies to pursue, they don’t know who their chairman should be, and they don’t know whether they should attack the presidential inauguration as a bourgeoisie-perpetrated fraud or as simply too expensive.

Just recently on C-Span, a group of anarchists could be observed planning a protest to the inaugural ceremony. Other liberals have accused Bush of stealing 118,000 votes in Ohio. But as of late, the primary argument that they’ve asserted for the pursuit of their policies is that Bush doesn’t really have a mandate because the majority of Americans don’t really like the Republicans.

For example, the pro-abortion group NARAL recently sent an e-mail to its members stating, "As he prepares to begin his second term, Bush and his allies are using their trumped up 'mandate' to justify their dangerous and divisive anti-choice agenda. But if winning a slim majority of votes is enough to convince the President of his 'mandate,' then we would like to remind President Bush of just one thing: A majority of Americans supports a woman's right to choose.”

Which, apparently, is why NARAL opposes allowing Americans to vote on abortion. Roe v. Wade made abortion legal and prohibited the individual states from contradicting its legality; Roe v. Wade’s abolition would do nothing but allow the people to vote on it. It’s ironic that the majority of Americans are precisely what NARAL fears.

With regard to the “mandate,” it appears to be a point that the Democrats will continue to stress until the next election. Greg Mitchell ofEditor and Publisher wrote on November fifth, “It’s true that President Bush got more votes than any winning candidate for president in history. He also had more people voting against him than any winning candidate for president in history.” And in a recent e-mail of his own, James Carville wrote, “Bush and the Republicans can only get their way in 2005 if we Democrats forget our own power. They only win if we choose to stop fighting. But if we stick together, we can transform American politics." He spoke of "bullying political tactics and [Bush’s] ‘dangerous’ second-term agenda." Unfortunately, he didn’t elaborate on what “bullying tactics” Republicans were intent on using; most likely, it was the threat of campaigning against the Democrats’ positions.

On an issue related to their future response to these malicious tactics, they will also have to choose a new national chairman for their party in early February. Candidates for the position include Howard Dean and a former representative from Indiana, the pro-life Tim Roemer. The candidates have been focusing profusely on their future strategy in relation to Southern states. According to Howard Dean, his Southern strategy is to “show up." Tim Roemer said it wasn’t about “steering the bus” left or right, but rather “about expanding the bus."

But of course, the chances that they’ll elect a nationally palatable candidate such as Roemer are poor; the chairman of the Massachusetts Democrats has already referred to it as “extremely foolish.”

If Democrats wish to win elections again, they really must “steer the bus right” on cultural issues. In every election they lose, they fault the result on their own inability to “get their message out.” They fault it on their failure to “show up” and scream emphatically at rallies. However, in a nation where two parties constitute the extent of the political system, it’s a weak excuse. America is a nation in which a candidate for president can scream at a rally in Iowa and become the subject of radio stations in all fifty states within hours. Their defeat had more to do with the unpopularity of their ideas than their inability to explain them.

They appear to have come to a dim realization of this, as they haven’t expressed much interest in “the issues” in recent days. Rather, they’ve attacked Republicans as “dangerous,” “unpopular,” and “anti-choice.” Unfortunately, getting the message out about how unpopular Republicans are is not and will not become a very convincing tactic.

Democrats will win again eventually, as politics will continue to undergo its inevitable cycles. However, it will be some time before NARAL, Carville, the anarchists, and numerous other Democrats make the adjustments necessary for this to occur.


44 posted on 01/17/2005 2:25:00 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( The MSM has been a weapon of mass disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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The democrats just don't get it.


48 posted on 01/17/2005 3:24:44 AM PST by Beckwith (John, you said I was going to be the First Lady. As of now, you're on the couch.)
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The Bible's warning against false prophets can also apply to political leaders: By their fruits you will know them.
Watch what they do, not what they say. See if they are in favor of abolishing abortion and condemning gay marriage. Those are the benchmarks in the fight over morals at this time.


51 posted on 01/17/2005 4:15:34 AM PST by kittymyrib
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bttt


53 posted on 01/17/2005 4:30:52 AM PST by aberaussie
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"A few days later, Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts echoed some of the same themes in a speech, calling for the party to "speak more directly to the issues of deep conscience"

This, from a man who, on a good day, has no conscience....and on a bad day, isn't even conscience.....

55 posted on 01/17/2005 4:35:57 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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Mr. Wallis, a registered Democrat, told the senators that the Bible contains more than 3,000 references to alleviating poverty. He said Democrats needed to do a better job of explaining the moral and religious foundations of policies intended to help the poor, protect the environment and reduce violence.

Wallis ought to read The Tragedy of American Compassion by Marvin O'Lasky if he wants to read about the proper approach to alleviating poverty. The welfare state mind set leads to generational poverty and hopelessness. Wallis is a product of the 60's generation who can never seem to get over themselves or admit that their cure for what ails America was nothing more than Marxist snake oil.

56 posted on 01/17/2005 4:39:07 AM PST by aardvark1 (Something was seared in my memory but I forgot what it was.)
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The left "marrying" Jim Wallis is like Esau marrying one of Ishmael's daughters. Coming close to the truth, but no banana.


57 posted on 01/17/2005 5:53:50 AM PST by blue-duncan
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