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Parolee, 19, Is Held in Death Of Actress During Robbery
New York Times ^ | February 1, 2005 | MICHAEL WILSON and JANON FISHER

Posted on 01/31/2005 8:08:42 PM PST by 68skylark

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To: Richard Kimball

Gotta Love Texas!


121 posted on 01/31/2005 9:56:11 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: TexasTransplant

I read a lot of stuff about the dreaded mainstream media on this board. It's slanted, it's liberal, blah, blah, blah...basically, it's filled with fairly well off people making six and seven figure salaries, and who don't get out and about as much as they should.

There was a time when reporters were blue collar guys. They got fired a lot. They got drunk a lot. They lived out in Queens or the Bronx. And they basically didn't pull any punches. Now it's a profession filled with guys protecting their jobs that pay for the fancy condos on the Upper West Side.

Gough's was the last bastion of the old timers -- wait, no, Runyon's was, but same difference.


122 posted on 01/31/2005 9:56:35 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Howlin

Jeffrey Sparks, fiancee: "I ran to her and held her head in my hands and begged her to hold on, but she wasn't able to and she stopped breathing there on the street."

123 posted on 01/31/2005 9:58:33 PM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

I will never understand how people who experience death like this go right on TV.


124 posted on 01/31/2005 10:04:33 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: speed_addiction

I have been accused of being a Keyboard Cowboy, and I have responded with "I will compare my Rap Sheet with yours"

Sir You have me beat, and I agree punk ass Gangs are merely weeds that need weeding, and I hear they make good fertilizer.


125 posted on 01/31/2005 10:08:09 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: paul51
Even if that is so...which I doubt...why aren't they charged with the attempted robbery which resulted in a death?

I wondered about that too. One possibility that's still consistent with the details reported in the article is that the killer and his friends might have just been bumming around, when to the surprise of the friends, the killer said something like, "hey, come and watch this", and then pulled out the gun and began the robbery. They could have been too stunned or scared to either leave or try to subdue their friend, and then it was quickly over.

In a case like that, I probably wouldn't consider the friends criminally at fault.

Not to say that's what happened, just saying that there are scenarios where the friends wouldn't have actually been co-conspirators in armed robbery or murder.

On the other hand, if they *were* willing participants in an armed robbery, hang them high, even if they were surprised by the shooting itself.

126 posted on 01/31/2005 10:16:05 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: durasell

When it comes to Lamestream Media I imagine it is mostly refering to the Boob Tube, (and/or Graduates of Berkley)

The New Media, is YOU. Love your stories and you are published via FR. More people have probably read about Goughs on this thread than some of those "Reporters" slinging Beers at Goughs ever got with their "Best Story" (Or whatever reporters call them)

You wouldn't happen to be a writer by Trade? (if you are you have failed to chastise all spelling and grametical errors on hundreds of posts that were ripe for the picking, this one included) if not, hey you aren't half bad.


127 posted on 01/31/2005 10:20:34 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: durasell

I read the Irish Times every day and I agree that their standards of factual reporting are usually excellent but I'm afraid the bias of writers like Conor O'Cleary, Lara Marlowe (read her today), Paddy Agnew, Eddie Holt etc. simply oozes out. Remember these are correspondents not opinion writers don't get me started on Fintan O'Toole or Vincent Browne. Robert Fisk used to be treated like the word of God at the IT. Kevin Myers is really the only reason why I read the paper these days.

The IT is the only paper I know that publishes letters to the editor addressed to 'Dear Madam' come on, other newspapers with woman editors don't do that that's just barf!


128 posted on 01/31/2005 10:22:04 PM PST by PotatoHeadMick
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To: durasell
Nobody wants to be a reporter. Everyone wants to be an opinion writer. Being a reporter is hard work. Writing an editorial column is sitting on your keester and plunking on a keyboard.

However, the pay sucks so badly, and so few people want to do the work that you seldom see anyone stick with actual reporting for a career, like you used to. Most of the reporters I run into are kids maybe a year or two out of college. They either move to the editorial area or go someplace where they can make some decent money. BTW, I've worked off and on for about five small town weekly newspapers, and I've never known a newspaperman that didn't have a little larceny in his blood.

129 posted on 01/31/2005 10:31:18 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf)
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To: 68skylark
At the news conference, however, asked about how people should respond to an armed robber, he said, "If you're in a situation when someone is pointing a weapon at you, I think it's best to comply with the directions of that individual."

I've been through three armed robberies in my life. Never had to fire a shot. Never given up a dime

130 posted on 01/31/2005 10:43:03 PM PST by bad company (if guns cause crime, then keyboards cause spelling mistakes)
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To: Ichneumon

There was something about them being involved in an earlier attempt so I don't think they were innocents in the wrong place. Perhaps the authorities cut them a deal for coming forward or talking. I hope this isn't the case. When someone dies, they should all hang


131 posted on 01/31/2005 10:46:58 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: TexasTransplant
I have been accused of being a Keyboard Cowboy, and I have responded with "I will compare my Rap Sheet with yours" Sir You have me beat, and I agree punk ass Gangs are merely weeds that need weeding, and I hear they make good fertilizer.

My rap sheet is pretty much public record as are my appeals (I did a little over six years when my original sentence was 13). I do not get completely off of my parole until May of next year.

In fact today I got this delightful little letter from my parole officer:

Dear Mr. ******:

The DNA Analysis Backlog Elimination Act of 2000 requires the collection of DNA (blood sample and fingerprints) from certain Federal Offenders who are on Federal supervision. Pursuant to the provisions of Section 203(b) and 203(c) of Public Law 108-405 (118 Stat 2260) which amends 42 USC 14135a(d)(1) and 10 USC 1565(d), the list of Federal and Military offenses that qualify for collection of a DNA sample has been expanded under the Justice for All Act of 2004. Based on your prior criminal conduct, you are now required to participate in the collection of DNA.

Failure to cooperate is a Class misdemeanor, 42 USC 14135(a), punishable by no more than 1 year imprisonment and/or a $100,000 fine and will be promptly reported to the Court. Therefore, your conditions of supervision now require that you submit to DNA testing in compliance with Federal law (18 USC 3565(a) & 3583(d)). Additionally you will be required to show a picture identification at time of submission.

Collection will be completed by a trained medical professional, and the process should not be lengthy. Be prepared by drinking plenty of water and eating a good meal before your appointment time. Your appointment has been scheduled for 02/03/2005 at 8:45 am at the address listed below.

San Angelo Tom Green County Health Department, 2 City Hall Plaza, San Angelo Texas 76902


What has really pissed me off about this is I live 70 miles away from San Angelo and operate my own business. I do not have anyone coming in on that day so I will have to close for at least half a day to comply. Oh well, a little over one more year left on my parole and I will be done.
132 posted on 01/31/2005 10:51:17 PM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: TexasTransplant
then fired a few shots off at me as I ran through of all things a Cemetery.

I never was shot at (except a Daisy pump BB gun battle- I won) but will never forget the feeling afterward where I vowed no one would hold my life in their hands like that again.

When this story broke, I checked the address where the actress was shot and discovered it wasn't far from Tompkin Square where in '68, I had been robbed (knife) at about 3AM. My friend and I couldn't find a place to crash (lots of abandoned Brownstones but we'd done that a couple of times) and were about to hang-up staying in NY anymore.

Your experience reminded me of another 'guardian angel' moment. After I pissed these guys off (didn't want to give up a ring) the knife was shoved really hard into my neck. Anyway, after they split, my friend and I headed in the opposite direction and about twenty seconds later, the park lights went off and now it was really dark. Almost pitch black. (Looking back, the lights may have saved me.)

We were startled by a dude who came out of nowhere smacking a club in his hand, asking us if we wanted to go get those guys. He'd witnessed the whole thing. He wore a hat with one side of the brim pushed up--we later discovered he was a Nam vet. The three of us spent the day touring around and trying to hustle money, walking up one of the Avenues (man, I'd never seen so many people on a sidewalk at one time in my life!). We took advantage of the new Pall Mall Golds being handed out in little four-pack samplers. After we collected enough change to make a phone call, we got some money wired to buy a couple of bus tickets home.

If I ever go back, it'd be out of curiosity only. And I'll be taking the angel with me, I hope.

133 posted on 01/31/2005 11:00:53 PM PST by budwiesest (Liberalism is a natural disaster. Devastating to those occupying the low ground.)
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To: speed_addiction
Makes it difficult to kick the livin Crap outta someone that desperately needs it when you are on Parole, a bit harder if you want to do it without violating same said Parole.

I have found that Bullies (read bangers) find or pick on this weakness to try to recruit.

May 2006, you make sure you remind me/us that you made it

TT
134 posted on 01/31/2005 11:07:17 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: TexasTransplant
Makes it difficult to kick the livin Crap outta someone that desperately needs it when you are on Parole, a bit harder if you want to do it without violating same said Parole.

I have kicked the crap one guy that got grabby here. He bought some tires from me on credit and then refused to pay. His wife drove his pick-up one day and I happened to drive by where she worked. I got my jacks, impact wrenches and 4 X 8 trailer and took my tires back, leaving her truck up on blocks. He showed up later that after noon and got snooty. I told him to leave before I wrapped his liver around his spine and turned to walk away. He grabbed my shoulder to turn me back around. I quickly spun around and caught him across the nose with a back fist and followed through with a nice spinning back kick to the gut. He went down like an old shoe. I kicked him a couple of times when he was down. I don't mean softly either. I punted his ass. Step. Step. KICK! backed off and then Step. Step. KICK!

I went inside to finish up some paperwork and watched him crawl to his feet and walk to his vehicle a few minutes later.
135 posted on 01/31/2005 11:19:23 PM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: Fiddlstix
Send him down here to Texas. We'll take care of him the proper way.

What a stupid and senseless act. What are the odds he'll get justice up there? Very low, I bet.

Shortly after 3 a.m. on Thursday, Ms. duFresne, who lived in Greenpoint, had just left a bar with her fiancé and another couple when they were confronted by a group of robbers on Clinton Street .....

ha! Interesting .....


136 posted on 02/01/2005 2:48:31 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: rawhide
It's New York.

Pointing a gun at a school safety officer is just fine, as long as you don't use your gun to save the life of your child when an intruder threatens.

137 posted on 02/01/2005 3:20:19 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: nopardons
Post headline.

CAUGHT

A picture of the scum in the back of the police car.

Inset picture of the young woman.

138 posted on 02/01/2005 3:25:12 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: orangelobster

And why were the police not patrolling the area after the first report of a robbery and pistol whipping in that same area.


139 posted on 02/01/2005 3:26:51 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: lavrenti
If only the Sun had more reporters, more interesting articles of their own rather than reporting crap from the AP.

I didn't renew my home subscription.

140 posted on 02/01/2005 3:30:20 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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