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NYC Actress' Slaying Teaches Hard Crime Lesson
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Posted on 02/04/2005 7:20:48 AM PST by Jenya

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To: DoughtyOne

I agree with you in theory. If every law abiding citizens carried a concealed firearm an knew how and when to use it without lapses in judgment, then violent street crime would ebb to a trickle. But then there is reality. In this particular case, all of the victims were on the way home from a bar after several hours of drinking, which probably explains why the dead woman mouthed off to the killer. Let's assume they were intoxicated, which is probably a pretty good assumption. If one or more of them had pulled a weapon there a pretty good chance they would have screwed up and shoot themselves or an innocent bystander, prompting the intended target to open fire on everyone and instead of one dead criminal, we would now have several dead victims.


41 posted on 02/04/2005 8:10:50 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Jenya
On its tip sheet, the crime prevention council advises potential victims to stay cool and comply with robbers.

"...and if that robber tells you to get in the car, you're 'going for a ride', try to refrain from yelling "shotgun!"--you might jangle the robber's nerves. Just get in the car and try to get as comfortable as possible.

Engage the robber in light banter; try to bring out the goodness in him (this will help later when he decides to kill you quickly rather than torture you beforehand).

But the most important thing is to just have fun on your new adventure!"

</sarcasm>

42 posted on 02/04/2005 8:11:34 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Richard Kimball

Low self-esteem. If only his teachers could have given him more self-esteem, he would be a productive member of society. (sarcasm)


43 posted on 02/04/2005 8:12:02 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: kenth

The press have been letting Sparky off the hook for some reason.


44 posted on 02/04/2005 8:12:27 AM PST by ardara
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To: DigiTeach1

I do live in NY state......no problem owning long guns./..no permit for longs except NYC..permits required for hand gun ownership which is doable almost everywhere except NYC(and there too but stricter restrictions). though the downstate counties usually give out limited Concealed Carry permits which are only good if your on your way to the range or on your way hunting.....which is why people get membership to 24/7/365 ranges. so if you get questioned you can say your a member and was heading to the range...


45 posted on 02/04/2005 8:16:31 AM PST by Vaquero
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To: odoso

Although I appreciate your sentiments, I'm afraid that in the NY State "justice" system, this guy stands an even chance of being acquitted. The best we can hope for is hard time. Looking on the sunny side, he is, after all, 19 years old. Poppin'fresh and just old enough to do time as an adult. Since he's not out on bail, he's probably learning the old prison slow dance from Iron Mike in the showers even as we speak. With luck, he'll stay in the Big Hotel until he's actually heartbroken when he isn't elected "Brownie Queen" of West Block. Playing HIV roulette a few times a day is about as brutal a punishment as even the most confirmed sadist could hope for. As I said, you have to look at the sunny side of these things.


46 posted on 02/04/2005 8:19:50 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Progressives are just liberals with an Earl Scheib paintjob.)
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To: odoso

I preferr life sentence deprived of comfort. Convict is surgically blinded, made deaf, tongue removed and sense of smell numbed. His limbs will be amputated and his live body is hung in a basket and lowered into a concrete hole which is kept cool, and uncomfortable. He will be fed bland food. Silence and boredom. That is how he will spend the rest of his life in my prison.


47 posted on 02/04/2005 8:21:45 AM PST by Fee (Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: Jenya
"It's a tragedy, but in this case it sounds like (the suspect) felt he wasn't getting the respect he was due,'' Lenhardt said. "When a gun is in the hands of a desperate person with low self-esteem, they're going to react that way.''

I know this is the typical liberal mantra ("low self-esteem"), but there's a growing body of research that indicates the real problem is the OPPOSITE of "low self-esteem" -- it's having too *great* a sense of your own value and importance. The bullies, thugs, etc. have such a *high* estimate of themselves, and *low* estimate of other people, that they feel they *deserve* to just take whatever they want from (or do whatever they want to) the worthless "sheep" (i.e. ordinary people).

Even Lenhardt's own comment reveals the truth of this, when he says that the thug "felt he wasn't getting the respect he was due" -- this is the reaction of someone feels they are *superior* and thus owed something; not the reaction of someone who feels little or no self worth.

As one of the articles once pointed out, do perpetrators of violence like say Hitler seem like folks with *low* self-esteem, or way to freakin' *much*? The arrogance of dictators and thugs and bullies is well-known. So why do liberals keep babbling about how *low* self-esteem is somehow the root of violence and social discord?

48 posted on 02/04/2005 8:26:11 AM PST by Ichneumon
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"The ferociousness with which she always protected her friends never surprised me, especially in that moment,'' fellow actress and friend Mary Jane Gibson said before a memorial service Thursday.

She didn't "protect", she "provoked" an unstable person and invited an attack. Sheesh.

49 posted on 02/04/2005 8:30:20 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: IncPen
["What are you going to do, shoot us?'']

When questioning the defendant, it's prudent to know in advance what his answer will be.

One of the funniest bits of news on the radio I ever heard was in Houston, Texas. It concerned a woman who heard noises in her garage, so she picked up her gun and went to investigate. She found a guy still in the garage trying to steal her bicycle. I'll let the news story take it from there:

"The homeowner reportedly told police, 'he told me to go ahead and shoot him, so I did'."

50 posted on 02/04/2005 8:33:36 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Jenya
The liberal pansy-waisted advice to women victims is give the mugger what he wants and if he wants to rape you, smile and hope for the best. Don't bother with a .44 magnum - it ain't cool.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

51 posted on 02/04/2005 8:39:02 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: theFIRMbss
shooting with her eyes clinched shut -- I've seen dumb people shoot that way!

She didn't seem like she would be frightened. You can detect the right kinda cojones from a long way off.
52 posted on 02/04/2005 8:44:43 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Labyrinthos

Well don't take it personally, but it's pretty hard to screw up more than winding up dead. I recognize your points, but not everyone exiting a bar is blitzed.


53 posted on 02/04/2005 11:09:41 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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