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A Mission to the Earth’s Core
Published in the December-2003 issue of Analog Science Fiction & Fact Magazine ^ | 06/22/2003 | by John G. Cramer

Posted on 02/10/2005 10:59:13 AM PST by vannrox

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To: Centurion2000
I'm interested to see the proof, and I've got an open mind on this one at this point.

Sorry...I wouldn't still have that paper. It wasn't a breakthrough or anything, but a normal exercise from a math prof (Charles Oering of Virginia Tech). The assignment sprung out of a discussion of Newton, who proved it long before I did.

41 posted on 02/10/2005 12:17:01 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon
actual number was probably supposed to be 10^8, or 10 to the 8th power kilograms. Make it 100 million kilos of iron.

Well luckily, a little less than 50% of the people in this country don't seem to care if the numbers make sense as long as the point seems valid.

42 posted on 02/10/2005 12:17:24 PM PST by Lekker 1 (A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul [G.B. Shaw])
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To: Lekker 1

I seem to remember proving the zero g inside a hollow sphere in HS calculus.


43 posted on 02/10/2005 12:24:17 PM PST by chipengineer
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To: Graycliff

Looks to me like they would just be drilling a hole for another volcano.

Nothing mentioned about the internal pressure.


44 posted on 02/10/2005 12:26:16 PM PST by Not a 60s Hippy (They are SOCIALISTS - not progressives, elitists, liberals, etc.)
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To: Centurion2000
with a mass of about 108 kilograms, the amount of iron in a sphere about 30 meters in diameter.

WTF ? a 30 meter BALL of melted iron is gonna weigh MUCH MORE.

I caught the same thing. Heck, I stand under two meters high, and I weighed in at ~96kg this morning. I still float in water, so I think it's safe to assume I'm less dense than molten iron.

Methinks the author missed a few zeros.

45 posted on 02/10/2005 12:27:17 PM PST by Fredgoblu
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To: chipengineer

Exactly. I remember calculating how long it would take for an object to freefall to the center of the Earth through a very deep hole. You only consider the size of the sphere "under" you as you go...the rest cancels out. So gravity tapers off to zero as you reach the center.


46 posted on 02/10/2005 12:27:45 PM PST by Lekker 1 (A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul [G.B. Shaw])
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To: Oberon

You say you did a proof, so I believe it. Its the "exactly balanced" part I'm having trouble with. It just seems counterintuitive.

But then, I occasionally shove my block shaped head into a round hole as well. :^)

Thanks


47 posted on 02/10/2005 12:29:05 PM PST by Tarpaulin (Look it up.)
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To: Tarpaulin
BTW, it would only be zero-G inside a hollow sphere at the exact center.

Nope everywhere inside. Freshman problem in Resnick and Halliday, 1968 edition.

48 posted on 02/10/2005 12:33:56 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: vannrox
A sphere of iron 30m across masses 108 kg? I think not. Dunno the specific gravity of iron, but 10800 metric tons is more like it....

Weird idea, but a crummy article.
49 posted on 02/10/2005 12:35:23 PM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: vannrox
to do a 38 minute in-vacuum free-fall through the Earth’s interior gravitational field to the other side of the planet...

If I remember right, if a hole were bored all the way through the center of the Earth and an object of sufficient tolerance to temperature, etc,were dropped in the hole, it would have a period of oscillation of 84 minutes. BTW that is also the period of a satellite at the surface of the (smooth) Earth. In addition, a pendulum of infinite length, with its mass swinging at the surface of the Earth, would have a period of 84 minutes. You're welcome...

50 posted on 02/10/2005 12:44:40 PM PST by bruin66 (Time: Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once.)
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To: Centurion2000; vannrox
"...a 30 meter BALL of melted iron is gonna weigh MUCH MORE."

Yes. Stevenson’s "modest proposal" is probably some kind of left/liberal satire. Iron at any weight would not even be a candidate for any kind of deep earth shot. A very hard rock would be better.

The most likely object to go to the center of the earth would be a very large meteor traveling toward it from way out in space at a very high rate of speed.

And we know what other kinds of effects that would be likely to have.
51 posted on 02/10/2005 12:45:33 PM PST by familyop ("If you disrespect women you are not allowed to wear a mohawk" (Feminist Creed).)
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To: Tarpaulin
Okay...imagine that you're inside a big hollow sphere, floating. Now imagine an invisible cone with its point three inches behind your belly button at the center of your mass. Its far end describes a circle on the wall of the sphere, and the cone represents the gravitational pull of the sphere's wall on your body.

You're at the center of the sphere, though, so something is keeping you from falling [splat!] against the wall of the sphere you're facing. You look over your shoulder, and check it out...there's another invisible cone behind you, pointing in the exact opposite direction from the one in front of you. The pull of the second cone exactly counteracts the pull of the second one.

Okay. Now imagine that using sheer force of personality, you propel yourself forward through space toward the wall in front of you. The angle of the apex of the cone doesn't change. What hapens to the circle described by the far end of the cone on the wall ahead of you? It gets smaller. Feeling uneasy, you look over your shoulder at the back wall of the sphere...sure enough, the circle behind you has got bigger.

As you approach one wall, the circle behind you gets bigger and bigger, and the one in front of you gets smaller and smaller. The gravitational pull toward the far wall increases with the square of the distance from you to it...but the amount of far wall exerting that pull decreases with the square of the distance as you approach it.

The reverse thing is happening behind you...as you get farther away from the back wall, the gravity becomes weaker with the square of the distance, but the amount of wall exerting the pull is increasing at the same rate.

All other gravity inside the sphere...up and down, left and right...is balanced. You can construct these conceptual cones for any position inside the sphere. So, voila! Zero G regardless of position.

52 posted on 02/10/2005 12:47:00 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Not a 60s Hippy
No kidding

I've worked on wells on the west coast that had 450+degrees at 3500ft, flow lines were so hot they had to be insulated from contact.

Some of the wells in this area have down hole pressures in excess of 6000psi. I can only imagine what the pressures would be at those depths.
53 posted on 02/10/2005 12:47:11 PM PST by Graycliff
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To: vannrox
We could revive the MOHOLE project.
It only got about 1,000 feet before funding was cut off because of project directors feuding.
54 posted on 02/10/2005 12:48:26 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (So I talk to myself, at least I am talking to a mind that is my equal)
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To: Lekker 1
actual number was probably supposed to be 10^8, or 10 to the 8th power kilograms. Make it 100 million kilos of iron.

Well luckily, a little less than 50% of the people in this country don't seem to care if the numbers make sense as long as the point seems valid.

Love that tongue-in-cheek stab at the left. You beat me to the punch on the real number...and you are right:

--30m ball of iron is 1.41 x 10^10 cc
--Density of iron at 20C is 7.874, but molten iron is in the range of 7.01 to 7.15 g/cc at 1550C.
--Using 7.1 g/cc, the molten ball is 10^11 g or 10^8 kg.

What's a few zeros between science fiction writers?!?! The real questions:

1. Does this stand a rat's chance in hell of...well...making it to hell?
2. The follow up...how in the world would this "instrumented" blob of iron be distinguishable from the molten material that's down there now?
3. Just how does this solve the looming Social Security crisis...or...what's the point?

55 posted on 02/10/2005 12:49:48 PM PST by Fredgoblu
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To: familyop
,,, basalt futures: trade short.
56 posted on 02/10/2005 12:53:19 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel

LOL!


57 posted on 02/10/2005 1:02:54 PM PST by familyop ("If you disrespect women you are not allowed to wear a mohawk" (Feminist Creed).)
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To: bruin66

Let's see.... I'll have to get out my infinite tape measure.


58 posted on 02/10/2005 1:03:15 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (sH)
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To: Oberon

That's somewhat what I said at #23.

I guess I was putting too much "weight" on the gravitational factor and not paying enough attention the the inverse square law.

I was thinking that if you were standing on the interior surface, the small amount of force from the material under your feet would be overwhelmed by a larger force from the massive amount of material over your head.

Thanks for your insights. This has been interesting.


59 posted on 02/10/2005 1:06:27 PM PST by Tarpaulin (Look it up.)
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To: vannrox

What 'earthly' reason could there be for this type of incursion to the center of our planet?


60 posted on 02/10/2005 1:09:38 PM PST by PISANO (The MSM's MOTTO: "Whatever it is..if it's bad.....it's GW's fault!!")
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