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Churchill Landed Tenure Without Usual Review Process (& he doesn't have a doctorate)
DEnver's ABC News ^ | Feb. 16, 2005 | AP

Posted on 02/16/2005 11:02:25 PM PST by FairOpinion

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To: FairOpinion

I have no problem with people who only have master's degrees at private colleges (like mine) or non-tenured positions at state universities (though now both the history professors I study under at my little Christian college have received their doctorates, so it makes me feel bad that they get such low pay...but they like it here and that is why they teach, not for money).

But, it seems to me that one should have their doctorate to be raking in the 100 grand Churchill receives!

A master's should not cut it.


81 posted on 02/17/2005 7:27:03 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: FairOpinion

the real issue is that liberals and leftists control universities,

and that conservatives hardly get hired.


82 posted on 02/17/2005 7:28:17 AM PST by ken21
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To: airedale

Well, journalism is different from other departments.

You are teaching a craft more than a load of theory (yeah, there is theory, but it is more do-it based than knowledge-baed).

Thus, life experience counts for a lot.

In other departments, usually knowledge is the primary goal. You can't substitute life experience there.


83 posted on 02/17/2005 7:31:29 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: goldstategop

Well, for history it generally does require a thesis.

There are some schools I have seen that let you do a research project more than a formal paper (don't quite understand the difference), but in any case, usually you still have to do something significant if not an actual thesis.


84 posted on 02/17/2005 7:35:04 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: FairOpinion

I think R. Buckminster Fuller was tenured at Southern Illinois University and did not have a doctorate. He had scores of honorary doctorates but not a formal degree.


85 posted on 02/17/2005 7:38:19 AM PST by thummy
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To: shezza
Mathematics is an odd field - it is all about ability and knowlege.

If one can pass four comps in maths, one has established PhD level knowlege.

The oral defense of the thesis establishes ability.

And, in more than one instance, the thesis itself has been handed in on the back of a napkin.

Having said all this, the number of folks that have actually gotten PhD's this way wouldn't fill a volkswagon.

86 posted on 02/17/2005 7:40:33 AM PST by patton (Matthew 6:6)
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To: goldstategop

I had not read your post #12 when I posted #85. Bucky Fuller meets your description.


87 posted on 02/17/2005 7:44:47 AM PST by thummy
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To: FairOpinion
Apparently he submitted a fraudulent resume: He claimed to
be an Indian. Isn't that enough for dismissal?
88 posted on 02/17/2005 7:54:23 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: thummy
"He had scores of honorary doctorates but not a formal degree."

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That's a big difference.

89 posted on 02/17/2005 8:02:39 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
He says he walked a dangerous point position in Vietnam, but his military records say he was a light-truck driver.

Interesting. His own resume from 1980 says he was a public information specialist in Viet Nam, responsible for publishing the battalion newsletter. Interestingly, his resume doesn't mention what battalion.

90 posted on 02/17/2005 8:06:30 AM PST by Terabitten (A quick reminder to the liberals. The election in Iraq was done NOT IN YOUR NAME.)
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To: FairOpinion
I have had several profs who only had a Masters but I think most of them were working on their PHD.

You are probably right tho, that they weren't "tenured".

91 posted on 02/17/2005 8:09:18 AM PST by yarddog
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To: FreedomPoster

Correct. And WE (at least in my family, since I have no idea what ethnic group you belong to) are "people of color".

It just happens to be pink.


92 posted on 02/17/2005 8:22:03 AM PST by shibumi (I know your deepest secret fear.....)
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To: yarddog

The professors you are talking about are probably associate or assitant professors, who are either working on their Ph.D-s or have just gotten them.

It takes a lot to be tenured.

I forget what post I posted excerpts from an article about Churchill's background -- he worked as an administrator and suddenly he becomes a tenured professor. He has his BS & MS from a virtually fake university, where the main criteria was that you protest against the Vietnam War -- there were no majors, no grades, etc. Just read through the thread, someone posted a link to that info.


93 posted on 02/17/2005 8:24:08 AM PST by FairOpinion (It is better to light a candle, than curse the darkness)
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To: rwfromkansas

I think that the University of Colorado used his being an Indian activist as the equivalent of years of experience. An activist in the eyes of a lot of academics is worth far more than scholarship especially if it's left wing activism. Of course it's looking more and more like not only was his claim to be an American-Indian bogus but so was a lot of the "experience" he claimed to have.


94 posted on 02/17/2005 2:48:00 PM PST by airedale ( XZ)
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To: Jim Noble

"Who broke the rules to hire Churchill? Who broke the rules to promote Churchill? Who broke the rules to give Churchill tenure?"

You are right on, brother. Who facilited the appointment of Ward in spite of what the U. of Colorado hiring/promotion policy had to be? Who circumvented the rules, and why? The Dean of LAS had to have a big hand in this, as well as the Search Committee that was formed from the Ethnic Department faculty. Plus someone would have had to waive the fact that he didn't have a Ph.D., some Human Resources or Affirmative Action office type. Need to sleuth this down and nail those people who had a hand in this. Of course, this probably won't happen, as they will cover for the perpetrators, and excuse their behavior with some phony baloney reasoning. And, the problem is, they are almost all alike (the faculty) on the whole campus. All liberals.

Lately, a lot of academic faculty-type whackos have been popping up on the cable TV talking head shows, which is good, as people will start catching on more and more just what sad shape the university campuses are in today, and just who is teaching their children, and what the content of their courses are. So, I too, hope the Ward Churchill's of the country are outed more and more, so that their true ideology shines forth and revolts those parents sending their college age children off to institutions of higher education. They will choose much more wisely, and will monitor their kid's education experience more closely, as they will be forewarned as to what liberal/socialist/communist garbage these professors are indoctrinating their students with, to the total detriment of our society as a whole.


95 posted on 02/17/2005 9:01:03 PM PST by flaglady47
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