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Blair lead cut to two points: poll
Reuters by way of The Australian ^ | 24FEB05 | Reuters

Posted on 02/24/2005 10:43:01 AM PST by familyop

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To: kingsurfer

Key word again: "WERE" slaves. But Brits are STILL girly-men, and they don't rule SQUAT!


41 posted on 02/24/2005 12:51:59 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: TommyDale

Well we have a lot of things Ireland does not. Nuclear weapons, a permanent seat on the Security Council, a huge economy etc etc ad nauseum.

You have Guinness which does equal things up to some extent.
Never been keen on potatoes though.


42 posted on 02/24/2005 12:54:19 PM PST by kingsurfer
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To: MadIvan
"Steyn and yourself are making an error in suggesting that a segment of the Conservative Party, is representative of all Conservative opinion."

That's not true. We're reporting the opinion of many British Conservatives, and that is all. They really add-up when we include members of the Labour Party who are against us and against Prime Minister Blair's support for our defense.

"I should add, you're not helping us Thatcherites at all..."

Actually, we are, by bringing attention to the British problem that needs solving within Britain. You may continue to categorically deny the prevailing anti-American and anti-Israel sentiment in Britain while reacting against the truth by presenting straw man arguments, or you may begin to do something about the problem. It's your choice, but you won't get anywhere by trying to delude us. We in the USA are not as stupid as you seem to believe.

Our US name has been blackened with falsehoods by Europeans in many countries for a long time. In Canada, Britons visited to propagandize against us for more than a century, then leftist Europeans (the majority in Europe) assumed that duty along with Britons since. We in the USA continue to carry a trade deficit with Canada and to care for her defense. That shows what we're made of in comparison to the majority of Europeans.

If you ever change your mind and want to solve the problem instead of trying to deceive us, try doing what we do. Publicly recognize the problem in your own country, then try to repair it. Many Conservative Canadians who use this Free Republic site are now trying to do just that, so they're two steps ahead of you.

And Ivan, to hell with "empire." It's another evil, tyrannical form of centralized government. When it rises against us again, we'll kick it's posterior again.
43 posted on 02/24/2005 1:20:10 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop
That's not true. We're reporting the opinion of many British Conservatives, and that is all. They really add-up when we include members of the Labour Party who are against us and against Prime Minister Blair's support for our defense

Steyn picks out Lord Hurd more often than not. We know that man is a toff and a grandee and not much worth thinking about, thanks. For some reason the fact that he's not someone to take too seriously hasn't communicated across the Atlantic.

Actually, we are, by bringing attention to the British problem that needs solving within Britain.

First, that's patronising, suggesting we don't know ourselves or what's wrong. Secondly, that may be YOUR motive, but more often than not, we see threads where negative commentary of Britain is far less than constructive - on another thread we get people saying, "All Brits are girly men" and such like. Mindless frippery, to be sure, not anything useful, and certainly not anything to help matters.

You may continue to categorically deny the prevailing anti-American and anti-Israel sentiment in Britain while reacting against the truth by presenting straw man arguments, or you may begin to do something about the problem.

I see, oh Lord and Master, how may we gratify Thee. I'm sorry, but this is patronising. We're an independent nation and don't have to pass some "global test".

We in the USA are not as stupid as you seem to believe.

I don't believe Americans are stupid. I do think that you, as an individual, are being exceedingly patronising.

If you ever change your mind and want to solve the problem instead of trying to deceive us, try doing what we do. Publicly recognize the problem in your own country, then try to repair it. Many Conservative Canadians who use this Free Republic site are now trying to do just that, so they're two steps ahead of you.

You're being patronising again. I'm sure our Canadian friends will be bemused they're passing your "global test."

And Ivan, to hell with "empire." It's another evil, tyrannical form of centralized government. When it rises against us again, we'll kick it's posterior again

Yes, whatever. Basically it boils down to this: some British people offend you, this indicates a mortal sin on the part of our country, and we must don sackcloth and ashes to atone to you, our almighty Father.

Do you understand that people of a proud country are going to get angry at you for acting this way - that we have to meet some sort of standard that you set out for us in order to avoid childish insults, particularly since we've spent blood and treasure standing beside you? Quite frankly, if you want to help Britain, give thanks to our armed forces, those who support them, and keep your "global test" to yourself.

Ivan

44 posted on 02/24/2005 1:32:59 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: familyop

By the way, thanks for handing the anti-American groups another bit for them to chew on. Are you really THIS stupid? If a nation turned around and said the same sorts of things to you, you'd be aflame with anger, and I would say you would be right to do so.

Finally, don't presume, sir, that you know better than the people who live here what its faults are. Yes, we're not perfect, but it is our country, right or wrong. And for that, I will grapple with anyone who defames her, come what may.

Ivan


45 posted on 02/24/2005 1:35:23 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: oursouls

Tories are too busy continuing their Public School buggery to come up with a decent campaign.


46 posted on 02/24/2005 1:37:59 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Clemenza
Tories are too busy continuing their Public School buggery to come up with a decent campaign.

It just said the Tories are gaining. I'm appalled to admit it, but opportunism seems to be working.

Regards, Ivan

47 posted on 02/24/2005 1:39:11 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: MadIvan
I wrote:
"You may continue to categorically deny the prevailing anti-American and anti-Israel sentiment in Britain while reacting against the truth by presenting straw man arguments, or you may begin to do something about the problem."

And you replied:
"I see, oh Lord and Master, how may we gratify Thee. I'm sorry, but this is patronising. We're an independent nation and don't have to pass some "global test"."

That was rhetorically like pulling a tooth, but thank you, Ivan, for exposing that much. The UK joined the EU in 1973. It's not about a "global test" at all, though that's an amusing straw man. It's about duty to alliances. The USA is Israel's ally on moral grounds, epistemological relativisms aside.
48 posted on 02/24/2005 2:42:53 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Ohioan

It's not just a third world country, it's the future of western civilization. I'm sorry the Brits can't see that because we really do need them.


49 posted on 02/24/2005 4:35:57 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: oursouls

Specifically when they climbed all over Blair about the WMD situation.


50 posted on 02/24/2005 4:37:46 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Ohioan
It is very strange priority to put your agreement with a man over policy with respect to a third world nation, over considerations that go to the very core of Western value systems! Hopefully, Congressional forces will force an early exit from Iraq, and we can get our priorities back in order

Real smart, let the terrorists win and have oodles of propaganda.

51 posted on 02/24/2005 4:44:23 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: familyop
The UK joined the EU in 1973.

You seem fixated on this as if it's some kind of revelation released under the 30 year rule. FYI the UK joined the EEC in 1973, which was a completely different entity than the modern day EU. Now when did the U.S. join NAFTA and what might that morph into over the next twenty (20) years?
52 posted on 02/24/2005 5:46:15 PM PST by Riddley
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To: MadIvan

"He's young, dynamic and also understands the importance of the Special Relationship."

"Oh yeah. The guy who came with the runner."

Define 'Special'.


53 posted on 02/24/2005 5:56:31 PM PST by planetesimal
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To: familyop

You're deliberately being obtuse. I was reacting to you sitting in judgement of Britain like you're some arbiter of whether or not my country is good or evil and it has to pass your test.

I'm informing you - you're not qualified. It's clear you don't know enough about us to judge.

Ivan


54 posted on 02/24/2005 11:23:36 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: McGavin999
It's not just a third world country, it's the future of western civilization. I'm sorry the Brits can't see that because we really do need them.

In its golden age, it was not considered a western country--not a part of Western civilization. After Tamerlane wiped out its educated and more intelligent classes, it became what it has been since. While it is important as a source of oil, you are delusional if you think that in any sense, our civilization depends upon Iraq.

Do not misunderstand me. I wish the various tribes and nations that inhabit Iraq, all the best. I wish them no harm. I intend no disrespect in my historic comment. But reality is reality.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

55 posted on 02/25/2005 11:33:13 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Dane
Real smart, let the terrorists win and have oodles of propaganda.

Wild assertions do not prove a point. How have the terrorists won, if we leave the new Government, just elected, in place, and come home? If the elected Government with the newly trained police cannot rally enough support to hold its own, it is a hopeless cause. Consider how ridiculous it would have been for the newly independent American States to have requested the French fleet to remain after Yorktown to protect us!

And you should not confuse most of the opposition in Iraq with the terrorists. I am sure that bin Laden's boys are in there, taking advantage of having us in an awkward position, where they look pretty much like the people we are trying to defend. But you are dreaming, if you do not realize that many Iraqis are resisting having Western Nations trying to manipulate their culture. We would do much better using special forces to deal with terrorists, and stop trying to keep the ants off the table cloth by occupying large tracts of land.

William Flax

56 posted on 02/25/2005 11:41:54 AM PST by Ohioan
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