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Will ATM video yield slay clues?
The Jersey Journal ^ | Tuesday, March 01, 2005 | Michaelangelo Conte

Posted on 03/01/2005 8:50:29 AM PST by Sterlis

During the two-day period that a brutally slain Jersey City family of four lay dead in their bloody Oakland Avenue apartment, a man was already using their bank card to raid their accounts at nearby ATMs on Central Avenue and Kennedy Boulevard - and police have video of the withdrawals, officials said yesterday.

"We don't know at this point where the person resides, but it could be someone from Jersey City," Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said. "The pattern of the ATM locations speaks for itself, and I don't think we need significant analysis of that." DeFazio said reviews of ATM security videos seems to show the same man using the bank card and PIN number at the various locations.

Although the information seems to bolster the theory that the murder of Hossam Armanious and his family was motivated at least in part by greed, those who believe religious extremism played a role in the killing of the Egyptian Coptic Christian family have not been dissuaded. The still unidentified man also used the family bank card and PIN number to withdraw money at ATMs in Manhattan, DeFazio said. During the withdrawals, "thousands of dollars" were taken from the linked Armanious accounts. ....

"We don't believe it is the case that a withdrawal was attempted while (the Armanious killers) may have been in the home," DeFazio said. "We are not exactly sure of the time of death, but it appears the card was used the following day."

(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: armanious; atm; christian; copt; coptic; copts; jerseycity; murder
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ATM info was posted yesterday but this article answered the question of whether on not police had photo evidence in hand. Short answer is yes but they have not ID'ed the person/s.
1 posted on 03/01/2005 8:50:30 AM PST by Sterlis
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To: Sterlis

I'm betting it wasn't a Catholic Irish woman or Buddhist Chinese boy.


2 posted on 03/01/2005 8:52:11 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

No little old jewish lady either.


3 posted on 03/01/2005 8:53:46 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: Sterlis

This guy has the ATM PIN number...


4 posted on 03/01/2005 8:55:27 AM PST by Woodstock (<------- is a BIRD)
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To: Woodstock

People do all sorts of silly things. Like write the PIN on a piece of paper and put it in their wallet. Or maybe the killer said he would spare the children if he was given the PIN.


5 posted on 03/01/2005 9:00:43 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Sterlis

I just want to know what was the ethnic type. And, of course, that this sicko is gotten off my local streets ASAP.


7 posted on 03/01/2005 9:02:25 AM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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To: Woodstock

That is interesting. I memorize my pin numbers and I purposely don't write them down anywhere. I don't know anyone that does this, but I guess it's possible that Mr. Armanious had them in his wallet along with the cards.


8 posted on 03/01/2005 9:03:17 AM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (Romeo&Juliet, Troilus&Crisedye, Bogey&Bacall, Gable&Lombard, Brigitte&Flav)
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"DeFazio said reviews of ATM security videos seems to show the same man using the bank card and PIN number at the various locations. "

AhhhhH! Personal Personal identification Identification number number!
9 posted on 03/01/2005 9:11:02 AM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier then working)
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To: Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; ariamne; Former Dodger; broadsword; TexasCowboy; ...
Armanious ATM update ping.

"... police have video of the withdrawals, officials said yesterday."

10 posted on 03/01/2005 9:13:06 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: USF

thanks for the ping!

I hope that the local gendarmes are actually doing something about this, but I'm not going to hold my breath.


11 posted on 03/01/2005 9:15:33 AM PST by swordfish71 (Tagline? What is "Tagline"?)
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To: USF
Shades of Lee Harvey Oswald.......

We've got the arrest of a patsy coming.

12 posted on 03/01/2005 9:18:56 AM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: Sterlis

Show me the pics!


13 posted on 03/01/2005 9:25:47 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who proclaim tolerance have the least for my views.)
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To: Sterlis

You would think the cops would want the pics out there to see if anyone may recognize them. But usually the quality of those pics are not great. I think the cops know more than they're saying.


14 posted on 03/01/2005 9:35:43 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: USF
Thanks for the ping USF.

Interesting development that tells us NOTHING!
15 posted on 03/01/2005 10:00:57 AM PST by jan in Colorado ("For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie" Romans 1:25a)
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To: mlc9852

I'm keeping my eyes peeled for any pictures. I'm not holding my breath though. Giving the cops the benefit of the doubt feels like a waste of time and hope. All we want is answers and if the JC PD and FBI were really looking for answers it seems that they would have released these pictures a long time ago. Feels like another Ft. Marcy Park investigation. My only question is WHY!?


16 posted on 03/01/2005 10:10:30 AM PST by Sterlis
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To: mlc9852

Possibly the pictures confirm that the killer is a Middle Easterner, something the police seem to want to downplay in this case.


17 posted on 03/01/2005 10:15:53 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Witty tag line on back order.)
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To: Sterlis

If the cops have pictures, why aren't they splashed all over the media by now? That's just plain stupid police work.


18 posted on 03/01/2005 10:28:52 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: USF

Sounds like the police know who the perp is, they know his name, where he lives/lived, where he went when he left the country; they also know where he is now. Somewhere in the ME that's 'politically sensitive' I imagine.
Patience. Ramifications are huge. If the perp is in Egypt, (as I suspect) it's no wonder the lack of information being made public.
IMO your law enforcement agencies are NOT fools. We do not know what is going on in the background, government to government. I see an opportunity for Egypt to make a huge goodwill gesture in the near future...anyone else thinking along the same lines, maybe?


19 posted on 03/01/2005 3:15:49 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Sterlis

What's a "slay clue"? I know what a clue is, but not a slay clue.


20 posted on 03/01/2005 3:16:40 PM PST by Xenalyte (Your mother sells hot dogs.)
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