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Russia Suggests International Nuclear Project to Conquer Outer Space
Moscow News ^ | 3.2.05

Posted on 03/03/2005 12:11:13 PM PST by ambrose

Created: 02.03.2005 16:31 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 16:31 MSK

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Russia has suggested a project to the international community to explore outer space using nuclear installations to send a manned expedition to Mars in 2017, a top Russian scientist said.

Speaking at a Moscow international conference on nuclear power in space, the vice president of the Kurchatov Institute scientific center, Nikolai Ponomarev-Stepnoy, said Russia offered the participants of the Mars flight “to use Russian research and development for nuclear engines and installations.”

He said that the international community has come to understand that the exploration of outer space is impossible without a nuclear rocket engine and propulsion units that can be used “both to accelerate spacecraft and to save energy”. The Soviet Union developed such reactors for military use from the 1960s, and produced some prototypes. Now it is time to go back to this work, “and Russia’s possibilities can be used widely,” the scientist said.

The main constructor of the Dollezhal Research and Development Institute, Vladimir Smetannikov, was quoted by Interfax news agency as saying an engine and an installation to send a manned mission to Mars could be made by 2017. He added that in 2017, the Earth and Mars will be in the optimum positions for such a project.

“The exploration of nuclear technologies and their practical uses are not in the capacity of any — even the most technologically developed — world state, which is why it is necessary to combine our efforts,” Smetannikov said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: ineedmoney; mars

1 posted on 03/03/2005 12:11:13 PM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose

Russia might want to consider developing the technology (themselves) to put a man on the moon FIRST --- here again they are trying to ride on the coat-tails of the US.


2 posted on 03/03/2005 12:14:22 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA
2017 is more ambitious than the US plan, which won't have a man on Mars until 2030...
3 posted on 03/03/2005 12:16:13 PM PST by ambrose (....)
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To: EagleUSA
Any nuclear thermal rocket engine would have to be developed and tested in Russia because the enviro-whackos would not permit it in the U.S.

Hence this is an inevitable deal--IF we want to go to Mars.

--Boris

4 posted on 03/03/2005 12:16:32 PM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a leftist with a word processor.)
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To: boris

Any nuclear thermal rocket engine would have to be developed and tested in Russia because the enviro-whackos would not permit it in the U.S.
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You may have a point, IF the technology ends up being nuclear. Some have suggested the Ion-engine may be the real answer to long-term space rides...


5 posted on 03/03/2005 12:20:58 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: ambrose

6 posted on 03/03/2005 12:22:20 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: ambrose
Russia Suggests International Nuclear Project to Conquer...$$$$$$$$$$... Outer Space.......'ALPHA CENTURI TRIP'...?

Anymore suggestions $$$$$$......a gallon of Milk $30.00 a gallon soon?

7 posted on 03/03/2005 12:24:12 PM PST by maestro
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To: boris

In a word - NERVA


8 posted on 03/03/2005 12:28:25 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: ambrose
Do it! Even if the US pays for everything.

Add the usual request to create private property rights in outer space.

9 posted on 03/03/2005 12:29:54 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: EagleUSA
Yup, the Ruskies can find their own way to Mars and beyond.
10 posted on 03/03/2005 12:32:12 PM PST by demlosers
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To: EagleUSA

Actually, the ideal engine would be a nuclear power plant driving an ion engine. The advantage of the nuclear powerplant is in the excess power available for instruments. Instead of relying on solar power the scientists would have huge amounts of power to use on more powerful radar and communication arrays. The real benefit of nuclear power is more apparent in outer solar system missions where solar power is very limited.


11 posted on 03/03/2005 12:34:18 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: ambrose

LOS ALAMOS, N.M., Feb. 10, 2004 -- A proposed U.S. mission to investigate three ice-covered moons of Jupiter will demand fast-paced research, fabrication and realistic non-nuclear testing of a prototype nuclear reactor within two years, says a Los Alamos National Laboratory scientist.

The roots of this build and test effort have been under way at Los Alamos since the mid-1990s, said David Poston, leader of the Space Fission Power Team in Los Alamos' Nuclear Design and Risk Analysis Group.

NASA proposes using use electrical ion propulsion powered by a nuclear reactor for its Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter, an element of Project Prometheus, which is scheduled for launch after 2011. However, the United States hasn't flown a space fission system since 1965.

Poston discussed technical requirements for such a fission reactor in two presentations Monday at the Space Technology and Applications International Forum in Albuquerque. Los Alamos is a co-sponsor of the forum. Poston discussed "The Impact of Core Cooling Technology Options on JIMO Reactor Designs" and "The Impact of Power and Lifetime Requirements on JIMO Reactor Designs."

Los Alamos is leading reactor design for the Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter mission, which would orbit Callisto, Ganymede and Europa to study their makeup, possible vast oceans beneath the ice, their history and potential for sustaining life. Los Alamos is responsible for such key reactor technologies as nuclear fuel, beryllium components, heat pipes and diagnostic instruments, as well as nuclear criticality testing of development and flight reactors.

"Nuclear power has long been recognized as an enabling technology for exploring and expanding into space, and fission reactors offer unprecedented power and propulsion capabilities," Poston said.

The JIMO mission would demand a safe, low-mass, high-temperature reactor that can be developed and qualified quickly, can operate reliably in the harsh environment of space for more than a decade, and can meet a wide range of mission and spacecraft requirements, he said.

A science mission to explore the icy Jovian moons would require kilowatts of electrical power for the scientific payloads and up to 100 kilowatts of electricity for ion propulsion to propel the spacecraft to Jupiter, maneuver within the Jovian system and allow rendezvous with the moons. The reactor also would power advanced science experiments and systems to send data to Earth at high rates.

Despite the lack of U.S. space reactor research in recent decades, Los Alamos has continued to examine technologies and concepts for a rapid and affordable development program. Working with NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, Los Alamos has resolved many hardware issues at the component and system level.

Los Alamos and NASA-Marshall researchers, working with colleagues from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Sandia National Laboratories, have built successively more powerful nuclear electric propulsion reactor components, including a 30-kilowatt reactor core without fuel, one-third of a 100-kilowatt system (core plus heat exchanger) and a single module suitable for a 500-kilowatt reactor core. Extensive non-nuclear testing of these and other components continues.

Most researchers have agreed on the best fuels and reactor construction materials for the proposed fast-spectrum, externally controlled JIMO reactor. The major design choice that remains is how best to transport power from the reactor core to the power conversion system.

Los Alamos and NASA are examining three primary options for core cooling: pumped liquid-metal sodium or lithium; sodium or lithium liquid metal heat pipes; and inert helium or helium-xenon gas. Many of these options have been tested for decades for terrestrial reactors, but the reactor for JIMO would be unique, Poston said.

"We believe the power and lifetime potential of space fission reactors could easily accommodate the requirements of future NASA missions," Poston said. "However, it is clear that reactor performance and technical risks are tightly coupled to power and lifetime requirements, so we must thoroughly understand these technical risks before developing the first system. For example, there are fewer technical and development challenges for a 500-kilowatt-thermal reactor than a 1,000-kilowatt-thermal reactor.

"The first step needs to be small enough to ensure success and to put into place the experience, expertise and infrastructure necessary for more advanced systems," Poston concluded. "After that, we can move on to the systems needed for even more ambitious space exploration, such as multi-megawatt nuclear electric propulsion or nuclear thermal rockets. Our near-term efforts must be focused on making the first mission succeed."


12 posted on 03/03/2005 12:41:00 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: Arkie2
Need helium-3 from the moon first so that fusion can be used.

Then there is less worry over particle radiation as you aren't working with really big molecules that give off particles easily.

I would say that moon base for harvesting helium-3 is very important. After that flying around the solar system should be quite an easy thing to do. Then we can also start sending probes to proxima.
13 posted on 03/03/2005 1:32:35 PM PST by demecleze
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To: ambrose

Hope it works better than their help on the ISS, we made for it and they were late. Then started wanting to sell rides to tourists


14 posted on 03/03/2005 1:45:41 PM PST by jbwbubba
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To: demecleze

No one is even talking about a fusion reactor for space. All the proposals are for fission reactors. When I was young (many years ago) fusion was just 20 years off It's still just 20 years off. I'll be dead 20 years and it will still be only 20 years away.


15 posted on 03/03/2005 2:14:44 PM PST by Arkie2
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Fusion in 20......sounds like the old 5 year plans.

:-)

16 posted on 03/03/2005 3:10:22 PM PST by maestro
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To: RadioAstronomer
"In a word - NERVA"

Could not be built in the U.S. today. I was part of a team that tried to ressurect it during Bush I. Believe me, it's Russia or nowhere.

17 posted on 03/04/2005 7:24:22 PM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a leftist with a word processor.)
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