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United Pro Choice ^ | 3-13-05 | Chuck Muth

Posted on 03/13/2005 7:38:37 AM PST by SheLion

March 13, 2005

"FORGET THE NEO-CONS, BEWARE THE EX-CONS"

So I'm listening to talk radio recently during the hellish commute to our nation's capital, and I hear caller after caller start out by saying, "I'm a conservative, except..."  The issue was over a proposed new government-mandated smoking ban in bars and restaurantsAnd the callers - so-called "conservatives" - were all for it. 

Now don't get me wrong.  I'm not saying smoking is good.  And I'm not saying smoking isn't offensive to a lot of people, especially while dining.  What I AM saying is that the proper, consistent conservative position is that the decision whether or not to allow smoking in a privately-owned bar or restaurant should be up to the OWNER of the bar or restaurant - not the government. 

If the bar or restaurant allows smoking - and you don't like smoking - don't go there!  There is no "right" for you to eat in someone else's kitchen. I'm not saying conservatives need to defend smoking. I'm saying true conservatives need to defend individual liberty; to defend the private property owner's rights over government power and coercion. If government can tell a business owner how to run his business, how long before that same government begins mandating healthy meals in your own home - for the good of the children, of course?

I've found over recent years that more and more so-called conservatives find "exceptions" to their limited-government principles on a host of issues.  I've started calling them "ex-cons" - exception conservatives - and they are far more dangerous to the limited-government movement than the so-called "neo-cons."  See if you haven't run across an "ex-con" in your political travels recently...

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to tobacco.  Government shouldn't raise taxes, except on cigarettes and smokeless tobacco.  That's OK."

*  "I'm a conservative...except for delivering the mail.  The government should continue to ban private companies from competing with the post office."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to advertising by drug companies.  The government should force them to cut back on their advertising so that their products would be cheaper."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to McDonalds and Burger King.  The government should stop them from advertising during kids' shows."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to snack machines in high schools.  Those machines should be banned to protect the children."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to Howard Stern.  The government should ban him from the airwaves...even on satellite radio."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to Budweiser and Coors commercials during college football and basketball games.  The government should ban those ads."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to Microsoft.  The government was right to prosecute them for being so much better at selling their products than their competitors.  Bill Gates was being fair."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to terminally ill patients using marijuana to relieve their pain and suffering.  The government should prohibit pot smoking in the privacy of your own home no matter what the circumstances."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to home-schoolers.  Those people should have to report to the government."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to driving safety.  The government is absolutely right to require people to wear motorcycle helmets and seat belts."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to wages.  The government should determine the minimum wage a private employer has to pay to his or her employees."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to air travel.  The government has every right to randomly search people and their luggage without probably cause.  It's for our own good."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to health care.  Health care is a "right" and the government should make sure everyone gets it.  For free."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to retirement.  The government should provide everyone with a comfortable retirement."

*  "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to gun rights.  It's OK for the government to require that people get gun licenses and ban the sale of guns at gun shows.  Otherwise, a 'bad' guy might get one."

And on and on and on.  One "except" after another.  THIS is the biggest problem with the conservative movement today.  If so-called conservative voters are willing to constantly make exceptions to their own philosophical beliefs, is it any wonder that pandering politicians are so schizophrenic in their voting? If we, as true conservative voters and activists can't or won't be consistent in our positions, how can we expect our elected representatives to be any better?

We have met the enemy, and it's us. Conservatives, heal thyselves.

Chuck Muth is president of Citizen Outreach, a non-profit public policy advocacy organization in Washington, D.C.  The views expressed are his own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Citizen Outreach.  He may be reached at chuck@citizenoutreach.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; dingbats; fda; individualliberty; lawmakers; maine; muth; niconazis; professional; prohibitionists; regulation; rinos; senate; smoking; taxes; tobacco
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1 posted on 03/13/2005 7:38:40 AM PST by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; KS Flyover; Cantiloper; metesky; kattracks; ..

2 posted on 03/13/2005 7:39:11 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: SheLion
"The views expressed are his own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Citizen Outreach."

And they don't reflect the views of a lot of conservatives either.

3 posted on 03/13/2005 7:44:23 AM PST by Enterprise (President George W. Bush - the leading insurgent detergent.)
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To: Enterprise
And they don't reflect the views of a lot of conservatives either.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I guess it's ok to have freedoms as long as they are yours, and to hell with everyone else.

And we call our lawmakers RINO'S. Now I know where that came from.

Pity, Enterprise.

5 posted on 03/13/2005 7:49:44 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: Enterprise
Where are you from, btw?

I bet you are under 30!

6 posted on 03/13/2005 7:51:26 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: SheLion
We have met the enemy, and it's us. Conservatives, heal thyselves

Liberalism and Liberislam are diseases. We have to heal the sickest among us 1st. We "true conservatives" can wait.

7 posted on 03/13/2005 7:55:14 AM PST by hflynn
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To: SheLion
Chuck Muth isn't a conservative.
He's a whacknut libertarian.
8 posted on 03/13/2005 7:56:05 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: SheLion

I have met avid conservatives with a big blind spot somewhere. It ususally has to do with their upbringing. (When I was young, the government welfare kept us alive) or some such thing.

The biggist one I see is conservatives who belive the government should protect their industries against foreign competition. (Everywhere else the government should get out of people's lives, but in this case, where their job is at stake, the government state is just fine.)


9 posted on 03/13/2005 7:57:36 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: SheLion
How many of the points being raised in the article do you think really represent the positions of most conservatives?

Free health care for everyone is hardly a conservative position. Government-imposed smoking bans for restaurants aren't either. In fact, most of the points raised are, I think, exactly opposite to what most conservatives believe. If they're not, I've been erroneously describing myself as conservative for a long, long time.

10 posted on 03/13/2005 8:02:58 AM PST by Bob
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To: SheLion
* "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to tobacco. Government shouldn't raise taxes, except on cigarettes and smokeless tobacco. That's OK."

* "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to health care. Health care is a "right" and the government should make sure everyone gets it. For free."

* "I'm a conservative...except when it comes to gun rights. It's OK for the government to require that people get gun licenses and ban the sale of guns at gun shows. Otherwise, a 'bad' guy might get one."

My view is that things like this are not ok. My point is that he has constructed straw man characterizations to represent a perceived hypocrisy of conservatives. And I strongly disagree with those characterizations. They are NOT the views of conservatives in general.

11 posted on 03/13/2005 8:03:15 AM PST by Enterprise (President George W. Bush - the leading insurgent detergent.)
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To: Famishus

Ping on your love of lists.
:D


12 posted on 03/13/2005 8:04:14 AM PST by mother22wife21 (Walking into a Gang War wearing plaid is dangerous, you're bound to be wearing offending colors)
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To: SheLion

I'm from Kaleefornia. I'm long past 30!


13 posted on 03/13/2005 8:04:14 AM PST by Enterprise (President George W. Bush - the leading insurgent detergent.)
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To: Willie Green
He's a whacknut libertarian.

What makes you say that?

14 posted on 03/13/2005 8:08:18 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: Bob
Government-imposed smoking bans for restaurants aren't either

The government should have stayed out of forced smoking bans on private businesses.  This should have been left up to the business owner and his patrons.

15 posted on 03/13/2005 8:10:06 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: SheLion
[ We have met the enemy, and it's us. Conservatives, heal thyselves. ]

So, Chuck says....
I like my politicians to vote like real conservatives EXCEPT that I can understand their vacillations on issues..

I personally used to be a conservative till the party as a whole moved so far left it made me a radical.. I didn't change any positions, I just woke up one day and BLAM!.. I wasn't conservative any more.. Conservatives are leftists..

I'm for RADICAL CHANGES in Washington D.C. and theres nothing conservative about that.. Conservatives seem to want a democracy, I want the old tried and true republic.. Democrats want a democracy too, thats why they are called democrats..

16 posted on 03/13/2005 8:14:51 AM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: Enterprise
I think everyone is reading this wrong.

He is saying that many of us are Conservative except:

"I'm a conservative...except when it comes to tobacco.  Government shouldn't raise taxes, except on cigarettes and smokeless tobacco.  That's OK."

"I'm a conservative...except when it comes to McDonalds and Burger King.  The government should stop them from advertising during kids' shows."

"I'm a conservative...except when it comes to Budweiser and Coors commercials during college football and basketball games.  The government should ban those ads."

"I'm a conservative...except when it comes to home-schoolers.  Those people should have to report to the government."

We as Conservatives do NOT want Government interceptions.  We do NOT want to stop Mcdonalds and Burger King ads.  We do NOT want to ban Bud and Coors ads.  We do NOT want home schooling to have to report to the government.

See what I mean?  Chuck is just saying that a lot of people 'claim' to be Conservative EXCEPT when it comes to certain things. 

17 posted on 03/13/2005 8:17:17 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: Enterprise
And I strongly disagree with those characterizations. They are NOT the views of conservatives in general.

True, the above positions are often espoused by self-described "conservatives."

They swarm on any thread related to smoking/private property issues.

18 posted on 03/13/2005 8:19:13 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Enterprise

I don't believe he was trying to say all these points are the veiews of most people who call themselves conservatives. I think he was saying that there are a number of concervatives who have one or two of these issues they are weak on for one reason or another.
I think that there has to be a distinction between *conservatives*(self-described) and *conservatism*, especially when it comes to politicians. It is extremely rare to find an ideologically *pure* person, politco or otherwise. Conservatism, at is usually described by conservative thinkers and pundits is usually very different from what many *conservative* politicians (Mostly Republican) actually vote.


19 posted on 03/13/2005 8:19:56 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman
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To: SheLion

I love that picture!!


20 posted on 03/13/2005 8:20:55 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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