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Cleopatra seduced the Romans with her irresistible . . . mind
The Times (U.K.) ^
| March 14, 2005
| Ben Hoyle
Posted on 03/15/2005 8:10:16 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
So Julius Caesar and Mark Antony were seduced by her for her mind? Yeah, I really believe that. Even 2,000 years ago, things weren't that different.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:17:15 PM PST
by
speedy
To: nickcarraway
They admired her scientific knowledge and her administrative ability, So, was she hot, or was she not?
This post makes her sound like a career power lawyer in a business suit.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:17:46 PM PST
by
Noachian
(Impeach a Judge - Save a Nation)
To: nickcarraway
Sounds to me like they are describing HRC... /sarcasm.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:17:55 PM PST
by
Xphantasos
(Ceterum censeo Al-Quaedam delenda est.)
To: Noachian; nickcarraway; MeekOneGOP; Xphantasos; speedy
Cleopatra was born in 69BC, the last of the Greek Ptolemaic dynasty that ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great's invasion in 332BC.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:20:03 PM PST
by
Paleo Conservative
(I Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
To: nickcarraway
Even Elizabeth Taylor, who famously played the title role in the 1963 epic Cleopatra, would have struggled to inject sex appeal into this queen. Huh?
"Smart chicks are so hot!"
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:20:08 PM PST
by
Oztrich Boy
(Conservatives wish to preserve existing evils. Liberals want to replace them with new ones)
To: nickcarraway
Cleopatra seduced the Romans with her irresistible . . .
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:20:49 PM PST
by
Petronski
(If 'Judge' Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
To: nickcarraway
Arab writers depict Cleopatras court as a place of intellectual seminars and scholarship rather than the more traditional vision of kohl-rimmed eyes and hedonistic intrigue..... Kate Spence, a lecturer in Egyptology at Cambridge Universitys Faculty of Oriental Studies, described Dr el-Dalys work as very important. Hog wash. Limited, either-or thinking about women is characteristic of Arabic men and feminist women, and has no basis in the real world where beautiful, intelligent women are rising to the tops of corporations and governments.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:22:21 PM PST
by
Veto!
(Opinions Freely Dispensed as Advice)
To: nickcarraway
Well, If you say so.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:22:35 PM PST
by
oyez
(¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
To: nickcarraway
She was also regarded as a great builder, he claims, responsible among other things for a canal to supply Alexandria with Nile water.
Which is kinda like crediting George Washington for building a canal to supply Mount Vernon with Potomac water.
Did he mention that Cleopatra was black?
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:33:41 PM PST
by
The Great Yazoo
(The husbands of the talkative have a great reward hereafter.)
To: nickcarraway
Allegedly she was a dog in appearance they found coins with her image.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:34:55 PM PST
by
Fast1
(Destroy America buy Chinese goods,Shop at Wal-Mart)
To: The Great Yazoo
'Zackly. I don't know why Arabs are claiming her, as the pre-Islamic Egyptians were not Arabs.
To: nickcarraway
Julius Caesar maybe - he was aged and she 22 and glamorous rather than beautiful by all reports. Antony, though - that sounded a lot more like love on both sides. She risked a good deal to pull him, wounded, up the battlements on ropes, and he was, on his part, reportedly agitated until he was assured of her safety and died shortly thereafter.
She was the last Egyptian Pharoah, the scion of a high Greek house, and a thoroughly formidable woman by any account. I do not know if hagiography is in order here, but she certainly wasn't a stupid Hollywood bimbo.
To: happyathome
And she wasn't Pre-Islamic Egyptian or black either.
To: The Great Yazoo
Did he mention that Cleopatra was black?One of the funniest things I ever saw was a call-in section on the Macon Telegraph editorial page, where someone said Cleopatra was African-American. So I called in, said how could Cleopatra be African-American when America hadn't been discovered yet? Cleopatra was from Egypt, so would that make her African-Egyptian? Wait a minute, Egypt is in Africa, so would that make her African-African?
Of course, they never published my comment.
I know a real African-American. Born in Rhodesia, now lives in Arizona. He's a white guy. 8~)
To: Petronski
Chortle!!! LMAO!!
Under glass, no less!
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posted on
03/15/2005 9:11:20 PM PST
by
SAJ
To: Moonmad27
Well who knows what her skin color was. The Macedonians had been in Egypt for 250 years by that time and there was bound to be some inter-marrying with the locals, so she wasn't pure Greek/Macedonian either.
To: speedy
Both Ceasar and Antony could have practically any woman they wanted, willing or not. I'm sure that didn't change after they had been 'seduced' by another politically powerful leader. Sure, Antony may have left his wife for Cleopatra, but is there any real doubt that he probably hit the brothels on a regular basis or had slaves around for that sort of thing? The emperor Augustus, certainly no ascetic when it came to sex, seduction and adultry, nonetheless hypocritcally chastised Antony about his licentiousness, which was well known. All this while Antony was floating down the Nile in his free time with the Ptolemic Queen. I'd say Cleopatra's real attraction was as that of Jacqueline Bouvier; attractive enough, but with a pedigree that allowed her to move through the stratosphere of high society, which was her natural environment. Cleopatra was just a ancient manifestation of that.
To: nickcarraway
Oh yeah, baby! What a mind...what a mind.
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posted on
03/15/2005 9:15:55 PM PST
by
Rudder
To: speedy
She was well educated, spoke several languages (even Egyptian,which the Ptolemaic kings/Queens did NOT;but rather,spoke Greek ),but I've NEVER heard that she wrote any books before. I do believe that this is just Arab drivel,much like the Afrocentric bilge about how Cleopatra was a Negroid;which is impossible.
She may have bedazzled Julius Caesar with her brains,but Marc Antony was ONLY interested in sex...her intelligence wouldn't have factored into his lusting after her at all.
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