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DEA Agent Suspended After Shooting Video Surfaces
Orlando Local 6 News ^ | March 19, 2005 | Orlando Local 6 News

Posted on 03/19/2005 7:09:30 AM PST by Mulder

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To: JennysCool

LOL! Was he wearing a blue armband and a pith helmet?


41 posted on 03/19/2005 8:34:20 AM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: DocH
It appears to me that this guy was either untrained, poorly trained, forgot all or part of what he was trained, or just plain stupid and not worthy of handling weapons in any capacity, especially as a self-professed law enforcement "professional" in a classroom full of children.

Ways he could have prevented his COMPLETELY preventable "accident":

1. He should have cleared his handgun OUTSIDE, while pointing the muzzle in a safe direction. Or, at least KEPT the loaded handgun in its holster while in the classroom, and ONLY used prevoiously cleared firearms (or maybe even ones with the bolts removed, or otherwise made inoperable) for his demo. And even with those, double-checked and cleared them again, in a safe, prescribed way before the demo.

2. He should have removed the magazine BEFORE locking the slide back and checking the chamber.

3. He should have, after doing #2 above, checked the magazine well and chamber (both visually and with his finger) to ensure it was unloaded. And then, and ONLY then, let his partner VERIFY that it was unloaded.

4. Even AFTER #3 above, he should have kept ASSUMING the weapon was loaded.

5. He should have kept the weapon, at ALL times, pointed in a safe direction, including, not at his foot.

6. He should have kept his trigger finger straight and off the trigger, and OUT of the trigger guard.

7. Keep the safety engaged unless and until you want to fire the weapon. With a Glock, the only external "safety" is on the trigger, so if he had just observed and followed #6 above, the AD probably would not have happened.

This dangerous goofball needs to go, but like one other poster said, political correctness will probably protect him.

They should AT LEAST, take away his gun, put him in a desk job, and start paying him what he is worth...

FITTY CENT an hour.

42 posted on 03/19/2005 8:34:39 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: DocH
This dangerous goofball needs to go, but like one other poster said, political correctness will probably protect him.

That plus the fact he's a federal employee. He could be dealing crack from his cubicle at DEA, and the only thing he'd get is counseling and remedial training (and the union would probably fight even that).

43 posted on 03/19/2005 8:39:48 AM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: Mulder

This is your DEA agent
This is your DEA agent on drugs

Any questions ?


44 posted on 03/19/2005 8:46:25 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Captain Ray
If he did, in fact, remove the magazine (not sure if he did) before locking the slide back, then maybe the extractor (worn or malfunctioning) did not extract a round left in the chamber.

That's all I can figure.

But why he didn't check for a round in the chamber HIMSELF, and instead, apparently relied upon his partner to check it alone, is what I CAN'T figure.

He may be a "professional" of some type (BS-er, etc.), but it's certainly NOT a professional at handling weapons.

45 posted on 03/19/2005 8:49:02 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Mulder
...home video of the undercover DEA agent shooting himself at an event sponsored by the Orlando Minority Youth Golf Association.

and just exactly WHAT is this fool doing playing with his gun at a GOLF event besides showing off???

46 posted on 03/19/2005 8:49:26 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: bruoz

" I even dropped it a few times."

Ummm... That is sort of considered a problem.


47 posted on 03/19/2005 9:10:10 AM PST by Dave278
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To: Mulder
Experts in the field said that the undercover agent should never have been videotaped because it could put the agent's life at risk, Local 6 News reported.

Exposing his face and getting his gun away from him takes away a major life risk.

48 posted on 03/19/2005 9:12:49 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: DocH
I agree of course.. I know in my own repetitive, boring, redundant, and very unlike the gun handling on T.V., practice.. every time I handle a firearm I go through my little check list..

Now one of the steps, racking the slide and pulling the trigger, is controversial. My carry weapon is an XD9, which like the Glock has no manual/external safety.. so like checking division by multiplying, this step ensures the gun has no ability to fire. Repeating is more a function of racking the slide to ensure that I did not somehow chamber another round...

Boring, Redundant, and not at all exciting like T.V. guns.. but it keeps me and mine safe..

This guy broke every one of my rules. He was handed an "unloaded" weapon, and assumed... That's a very stupid assumption.

Raymond

49 posted on 03/19/2005 9:16:58 AM PST by Captain Ray
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To: US_MilitaryRules

I need to see his face so i don't get close to him ,He's dangerous


50 posted on 03/19/2005 9:18:19 AM PST by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: Mulder
Experts in the field said that the undercover agent should never have been videotaped because it could put the agent's life at risk
... and its a potential personal safety hazard to himself as well as his family members."

Maybe it's just me, but something tells me the video isn't the safety hazard here.

51 posted on 03/19/2005 9:19:11 AM PST by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: Mulder

And they will blame the Glock calling it an 'unsafe' pistol
So unsafe that even pros can shoot themselves with it making it far to 'unsafe' for 'civilian amateurs.

He violated the fundamentals of firearms safety..he's a loose cannon who should be discharged

imo


52 posted on 03/19/2005 9:29:45 AM PST by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: Mulder
should never have been videotaped because it could put the agent's life at risk

Sounds like he did a pretty good job of that himself.

"It puts a lot of undercover agents in jeopardy if their faces are videotaped," the masked agent told Local 6 News. "His identity is burned. His identity is known as a police officer and its a potential personal safety hazard to himself as well as his family members."

Since he 'outed' himself already (in front of the group), what's the diff? Who videotaped him? The DEA so they could use it for their own PR? Tough. Maybe the super-sleuth should've been wearing a mask like the 'agent' who spoke to channel 6?

Funny video - he looks more like a perp than an agent. Good thing he shot himself and nobody else was hurt.

53 posted on 03/19/2005 9:32:14 AM PST by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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To: festus
This is your DEA agent

This is your DEA agent on drugs (Ego) (Adrenaline) pick one

Any questions ?

54 posted on 03/19/2005 9:34:01 AM PST by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

God's a racist!

Oh yes I'm sure


55 posted on 03/19/2005 9:36:22 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: Mulder

Exactly !!!


56 posted on 03/19/2005 9:45:20 AM PST by Deetes (Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick "))
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To: VOYAGER
"It would seem he is a greater risk from himself than from anyone else."

A truer statement was never said! If this guy is a "professional", I'd hate to see what they consider an idiot.

Utterly beyond contempt.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

57 posted on 03/19/2005 9:49:05 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

I love how everybody acts so casual. LOL!


58 posted on 03/19/2005 10:00:43 AM PST by Stew Padasso ("That boy is nuttier than a squirrel turd.")
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To: Captain Ray
This guy broke every one of my rules

He broke every major gun safety rule I believe I've ever heard, and there are many different rules. If he had just practiced even ONE of the four major ones I learned in the Marine Corps, he would not have had an AD.

The same goes for my friend, roommate (we shared a duplex out in town), and fellow Marine when I was stationed on I&I duty out in California back in 1979.

SSgt Dennis Treiner "accidentally" shot and killed himself with his own 1911, and in front of me, another Marine, two female friends from his high school days, and his fiancee. He was dead before he hit the ground.

Did that turn me against firearms? NO.

But it sure strengthened my belief in gun safety, and not being STUPID with weapons. Partially due to that incident, I went on to become a range coach and spend a lot of time teaching my fellow Marines weapons safety classes, and ensuring that they put what I taught them into practice in the field and on the range.

59 posted on 03/19/2005 10:06:59 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: DocH
WOW dude.. I am sorry about your friend. It's a good lesson to learn second hand reading on a computer, but I don't envy you having lived it in the first person..

I am glad to hear that you have been able to put the experience to good use, teaching gun-safety to people who might otherwise make a mistake that results in injury or death.. The sad thing is that this DEA agent probably took all the prescribed gun safety classes, and still managed to shoot himself. That is complacency.. and one just can't be complacent when it comes to firearms.

On a lighter note; I think that the Marine Corps is the best damn department of the NAVY there is! Semper-Fi Ground Pounder! LOL *pokes*

Raymond

60 posted on 03/19/2005 10:36:18 AM PST by Captain Ray
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