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N.D. Debates Black Box Privacy Safeguards
New York Newsday (National News Wire) ^ | March 25, 2005 | JAMES WARDEN

Posted on 03/25/2005 3:00:39 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper

BISMARCK, N.D. -- Raymon Holmberg didn't know his new sedan came equipped with the long arm of the law. The dealer hadn't bothered to mention the "black box," a computer chip that stores information on speed and seat belt use.

"When I bought my car," he said, "I didn't realize I was also buying a highway patrolman to sit in the back seat."

Holmberg, a state senator, believes his privacy was violated and is taking aim at black boxes. Lawmakers in 10 other states are also hoping to regulate black boxes, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: 200503; automobiles; bigbrother; blackbox; blackboxes; cars; holmberg; privacy; privacyrights; rayholmberg; raymonholmberg; spying; spyware; surveillance; surveillancestate; warranties
Sen. Ray Holmberg, R-Grand Forks, testifies before the House Transportation Committee at the Capitol in Bismarck, N.D., Thursday, March 3, 2005. Holmberg asked the committee to support a bill he is sponsoring that would ban the use of an automobile's "black box" data in court. Holmberg said black boxes threaten privacy, and the car and truck owner should control who has access to the information. (AP Photo/Will Kincaid)

1 posted on 03/25/2005 3:00:40 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: BigSkyFreeper

This is going to be interesting to watch unfold.


2 posted on 03/25/2005 4:13:45 AM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Iowa Granny

Its a definite violation of privacy.

The info on the black box can also be used against you by the manufacturer to void your car warranty.I didnt realise what was on the thing till I took a new truck to the dealer and he hooked up his laptop.

Those who pay for onstar are giving up their privacy and paying for it, If thats what they want to do thats fine , but they should realise what they are paying for.


3 posted on 03/25/2005 4:28:42 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002

I was under the impression that On star and 'the Black Box' are two entirely different things.

There are some really good things about On Star technology, too. If my Grandchildren had been kidnapped and were being transported in a vehicle with On Star, I'd think it was the most fantastic gizmo in the world.


4 posted on 03/25/2005 4:32:00 AM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: BigSkyFreeper
For those of you interested if your veihcle has one of these Black Boxes, you can click here. I think I'd rather have my day in court without having my own vehicle out there testifying against me.
5 posted on 03/25/2005 4:43:59 AM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Iowa Granny

On Star and the black box ARE two different things, I was trying to point out that if you enroll in On Star you are basically signing on to give up your privacy, while with the black box you are giving it up involuntarily and for some without that knowledge.


6 posted on 03/25/2005 5:16:56 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002

You can buy software and a link cable that will do some pretty kewl things with your OBD II interface.

What with location services and car black boxes, I'd be sure to have my phone and car corroborate my alibi if I ever were to really need one.


7 posted on 03/25/2005 5:29:56 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
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To: sgtbono2002

thank you for that clarification.


8 posted on 03/25/2005 5:32:07 AM PST by Iowa Granny
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