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BLM limits [Mormon] trail use [in Wyoming]
Casper Star-Tribune ^ | 3/29/2005 | Whitney Royster

Posted on 03/29/2005 12:37:50 PM PST by TChris

Mormons planning to re-enact treks on national historic trails in central Wyoming will have to do so without the use of support vehicles and only Mondays through Fridays, according to a decision signed Monday.

Permits will be available for a total of 7,500 people annually in groups of 26 or more -- far fewer than the 12,000 handcart trekkers who have used the area in recent years.

Jack Kelly, Bureau of Land Management Lander field office manager, said the changes reflect the agency's need to minimize impacts to the area that have been growing with the boom in use.

"We knew we were experiencing too much impact at 12,000. We'd seen that for a couple of years running," Kelly said. "We knew that was having too much impact, particularly relating to support vehicles, and also restrooms. So the people that did the analysis were trying to do what they felt was a sustainable carrying capacity -- what can we do to manage properly, to not hurt the long-term historic character of the trails."

The plan to manage 26 miles of BLM lands between the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' holdings at the Sixth Crossing of the Sweetwater River and Rock Creek Hollow near South Pass has been at issue for several years, after scores of trekkers have come to the area to re-enact westward pilgrimages of ancestors. The area is also home to a segment of the Oregon Trail.

Permits for a total of 7,500 people in groups reflects the BLM's proposed plan drafted last May. Of those, 5,000 spaces are earmarked for church users.

(Excerpt) Read more at casperstartribune.net ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: blm; environment; landuse; lds; mormon; publicland; reenactment
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A few questions:

Why does the BLM think the best approach to the increased popularity of the Mormon/Oregon Trail in this area is to restrict access? Yellowstone National Park supports millions of annual visitors where a policy of accomodation, rather than restricion, has been very successful.

Also, it seems to me that federal and state officials are quite concerned with protecting Native American access to and control of sites they consider sacred, yet they think nothing of cutting off thousands of Mormons from a place they hold very dear. The experience of re-enacting the arduous trek of early Mormon pioneers has become something of a rite of passage for many of the youth of the Church. That exercise will be summarily denied to thousands by this action.

Finally, this proposal highlights the larger issue of federal control over public land. Some time ago, some residents of Idaho apparently made some progress in challenging the constitutionality of the BLM in general. From which constitutional provision, or subsequent legislation, does the federal government derive their authority to own/control public land? Its a simple question that, to my knowledge, has never been sufficiently addressed.

1 posted on 03/29/2005 12:37:51 PM PST by TChris
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To: TChris

Don't trespass on the King's lands.


2 posted on 03/29/2005 12:43:51 PM PST by SoDak (hoist that rag!)
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To: TChris
Thank goodness the BLM wasn't around in the 1800's. The west may have never been settled.
3 posted on 03/29/2005 12:44:58 PM PST by zlala (I used to have a handle on life but it broke.)
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To: TChris

Must be a result of that "Federal Landlord Clause" in the constitution. (/sarc)


4 posted on 03/29/2005 12:48:38 PM PST by Lekker 1 ("Airplanes are interesting toys, but of no military value"-Ferdinand Foch, French War College, 1911)
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To: TChris
US Government lands. Our lands. But, we cannot use them because the all supreme, the all controlling, the all knowing, the all doing, those who can legally point a gun at your face and get away with it, the all taxing, the all supreme ruling, the Imperial Federal Government of the United States of Amerika.
5 posted on 03/29/2005 12:49:56 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Ted Kennedy is a democrat. Democrats are the enemy. Destroy your enemies.)
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To: farmfriend

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6 posted on 03/29/2005 12:50:02 PM PST by freepatriot32 (If you want to change goverment support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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7 posted on 03/29/2005 12:51:16 PM PST by freepatriot32 (If you want to change goverment support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: TChris

Once again the land grabbers tie up huge amounts of land to "preserve it for all to enjoy." Then they restrict its use to a handful of envionmentalists so that they might "protect it from human encroachment." What a shame.


8 posted on 03/29/2005 12:52:26 PM PST by catpuppy
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To: TChris

9 posted on 03/29/2005 12:54:32 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: catpuppy
Once again the land grabbers tie up huge amounts of land to "preserve it for all to enjoy."

You mean, "preserve it for some to enjoy", on Mondays through Fridays, after paying $4 fee, and don't step on any sagebrush. ;-)

10 posted on 03/29/2005 12:56:29 PM PST by TChris (Just once, we need an elected official to stand up to a clearly incorrect ruling by a court. - Ann C)
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That's odd as Casper or at least Natrona Cnty seems to be using eminent domain to steal land from locals in order to build a shorter pass from the quarries to the airport for new construction...

The new road pretty much tears up a piece of the Mormon Trail..on private land..

imo
11 posted on 03/29/2005 12:59:47 PM PST by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: RetiredArmy

I agree with what you wrote but there has to be some kind of limitation. The damage caused by unmanaged recreation in our five national forests in Wyoming is absolutely appalling...four wheelers, off-road vehicles, you name it...'my truck can go anywhere'! Sometimes I don't think the feds do enough to protect the our lands.


12 posted on 03/29/2005 1:06:34 PM PST by lesko
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What's to protect? It's a near-desert sandbox.
The land's greatest worth is its value to the Mormons and the Indians, since it's already out of agricultural production.
This is public-land-use policy today: Public stay out. Check out the barriers to using Baxter State Park in Maine.


13 posted on 03/29/2005 1:14:14 PM PST by jjmcgo
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To: lesko
Then I guess they need to put in a sidewalk so everyone can walk on it. What I am trying to get at here is, that this is public lands. Who is the public if it is not the American citizen? These are our lands. The government uses our tax dollars to purchase these lands.

Who is the largest land owner in the entire United States? THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT! The US government owns our lands and then controls them. These controls are usually controlled by the environmental wackos in the liberal enviro wacko groups, such as the ones who do not want drilling, etc., in Alaska. I agree that huge hordes of people on ATV's should have be dusting across the plains en-mass to destroy every chuck hole and prairie dog hut.

But, the US government has got to be at some point stopped. It is becoming, it is now, the controlling industry in our lives. I am getting sick and tired of living in a country where I am suppose to be free, being told at every turn, "no" you cannot do that, or no you cannot have that, or no you cannot, cannot, cannot by the Imperial Federal Government. While the IFG may be the master of democrats and high school dropouts, it is not my master.

I am simply sick and tired of having the stinking government stick it's stinking hands into my pockets and taking money out. I am sick of it. Simply sick and tired of working my butt off for the benefit of the fat cats in Imperial Washington, D.C. who make rules and regulations for all of us, while at the same time having different rules and regulations that govern THEM! I.E. we surfs having social security and the congress people having their OWN special tax payer funded system, voted on by them, limits set by them, with us the tax payer having not one damned word to say about it.

Simply put, I am sick and tired of the Imperial Federal Government putting it's stinking socialist nose in my life and business. They did not make me, did not carry me, did not birth me, did not raise me, did not pay for me, do not pay me now. So, where the heck do they get off telling me what I can do? Ok, I am through ranting. It is a longer and deeper subject to rant here about! Sorry.

14 posted on 03/29/2005 1:54:16 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Ted Kennedy is a democrat. Democrats are the enemy. Destroy your enemies.)
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To: TChris

Can I point out the obvious fact that the "re-enactors" are not being very realistic. The Mormon pioneers didn't have the luxury of massive convoys of "support vehicles."

I would think conscientious re-enactors would want to duplicate the experience as closely as possible.


15 posted on 03/29/2005 2:04:02 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Can I point out the obvious fact that the "re-enactors" are not being very realistic. The Mormon pioneers didn't have the luxury of massive convoys of "support vehicles."

I would think conscientious re-enactors would want to duplicate the experience as closely as possible.

Sure you can. Its also entirely beside the point.

The support vehicles are there mostly to provide needed food and water and possibly medical assistance for the hundreds of people in a group. Heat exhaustion is a very real concern, and people regularly need the help. The full trek can take a couple of 12-hour days of hard work to complete, and in summer heat that requires some support. The goal is not to re-create the numerous deaths suffered by the real pioneers.

16 posted on 03/29/2005 2:09:07 PM PST by TChris (Just once, we need an elected official to stand up to a clearly incorrect ruling by a court. - Ann C)
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To: lesko
Sometimes I don't think the feds do enough to protect the our lands.

Explain to me why it should be the feds protecting public land in Wyoming. Point out the article of the US Constitution that gives them that responsibility and authority. I sure haven't been able to find it.

Also, there are other ways to protect the land without simply restricting the number of visitors. That's a simple-minded solution at best.

17 posted on 03/29/2005 2:12:35 PM PST by TChris (Just once, we need an elected official to stand up to a clearly incorrect ruling by a court. - Ann C)
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To: TChris
Why does the BLM think the best approach to the increased popularity of the Mormon/Oregon Trail in this area is to restrict access? Yellowstone National Park supports millions of annual visitors where a policy of accomodation, rather than restricion, has been very successful.

You're avoiding the most important question. Why should the Federal Government own so much of the land in western states? Western states are treated like colonies of Washington DC not as sovereign states.

18 posted on 03/29/2005 2:40:00 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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You're avoiding the most important question. Why should the Federal Government own so much of the land in western states? Western states are treated like colonies of Washington DC not as sovereign states.

I didn't avoid that at all. Did you read my entire post?

I have yet to see or hear the legal basis for the existence of the BLM. The Constitution gives the govt. authority to establish national parks. That's all. I think every Western state should challenge this in court and regain control of their land.

19 posted on 03/29/2005 2:46:53 PM PST by TChris (Just once, we need an elected official to stand up to a clearly incorrect ruling by a court. - Ann C)
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I for one haven't any sympathy for the Mormons what so ever. They work hand in hand with the National Park Service to steal private property that may or may not have old trails from long ago emigrants. (SEE OCTA) They gather with wagon trains of cars these days to follow the ruts. It's ridiculous. You should see them. I have. They have been instrumental in trying to incorporate "alternate routes" of the Oregon trail in to the Park Service, even if those alternate routes are only identifiable from old maps and lie on private property. Quite frankly it's nice to see them get theirs! They sponsor bills to grab lands along with the NPS.
Not that I am for the BLM and Government land grabs. I just enjoy seeing them get bit back!
20 posted on 03/29/2005 3:47:08 PM PST by Sweetjustusnow (You better believe it's real!)
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