Your entire post is one long misinformation campaign.
No one is advocating illegal immigration, least of all me...a legal immigrant, so shove your "pom-poms".
You sound like a typical leftist crying about "how many more innocent people need to die as a result of ultra-right-wing nutjobs need to posses weapons"?
Rhetoric is rhetoric.
Immigrants are not "cretins", unless of course you consider your ancestors (the ones who migrated here) to be cretins too. The cost of immigration is a debatable issue, what impact an individual immigrant has on the nation's finances is relative to the immigrant's age upon arrival. An even the impact of illegal aliens on the economy is unclear; certainly not the "drain on our tax dollar" crap that's put out there for the rubes to swallow willingly. Michele Malkin's whining about Bush's Social security totalization agreement with Mexico would have us paying hundreds of millions (even billions) of dollars in S.S. payments to illegal aliens. Funny...
The S.S. system is a "pay to play" system, you can't collect if you didn't pay in. Ms. Malkin has just argued that illegal aliens have paid hundreds of millions (maybe even billions) into Social Security!
And if they had S.S. payments deducted from their pay checks, then they must have billions deducted in income taxes as well!!!
Some immigrants commit criminal acts, and those that do should be punished, but most are not, so they should not be judged based on the actions of others.
You don't begin to understand what the true American Spirit is...here's someone who did:
"And now, let me speak directly to the young people and the students here. I wonder yet if you've appreciated how unusual -- terribly unusual -- this country of ours is?"
"I received a letter just before I left office from a man. I don't know why he chose to write it, but I'm glad he did. He wrote that you can go to live in France, but you can't become a Frenchman. You can go to live in Germany or Italy, but you can't become a German, an Italian. He went through Turkey, Greece, Japan and other countries. but he said anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to live in the United States and become an American."
"Some may call is mysticism if they will, but I cannot help but feel that there was some divine plan that placed this continent here between the two great oceans to be found by people from any corner of the earth -- people who had an extra ounce of desire for freedom and some extra courage to rise up and lead their families, their relatives, their friends, their nations and come here to eventually make this country."
"The truth of the matter is, if we take this crowd and if we could go through and ask the heritage, the background of every family represented here, we would probably come up with the names of every country on earth, every corner of the world, and every race. Here, is the one spot on earth where we have the brotherhood of man. And maybe as we continue with this proudly, this brotherhood of man made up from people representative of every corner of the earth, maybe one day boundaries all over the earth will disappear as people cross boundaries and find out that, yes, there is a brotherhood of man in every corner."
"Thank you all and God Bless you all." -- Source
I just returned from a vacation in New York City.
I spent several hours walking through Ellis Island, where I looked into the eyes of immigrants. I walked the grounds of Liberty Island, and I walked the streets of the Lower east Side; Little Italy and Chinatown. I ate in Hell's Kitchen and heard more languages spoken in one place than I've heard in my entire life, and I had a cabbie tell me that the real America was not to be found in papers stored in D.C., the real America was in the immigrant neighborhoods of the Big Apple...and I believe he's right.
The greatest city in the world is an American city filled with immigrants from every corner of the globe.
Cretins?
Hardly.
Hey Luis, spare me your sanctimonious comments on immigration......FYI, my roots are hispanic which I'm very proud of because I know that my inherited work ethic has allowed me to achieve far more than I ever expected and I hold the same regard for many other ethnicities sharing similar traits.
Whether you like to think about such realities or not, anyone who violates the most basic tenets of the common law (do onto others as you would have done to you) in the form of brutal rape, murder, etc. is a cretin, low life or what ever term applies (illegal or US citizen) and this reality occurs daily regardless if you believe it or not....can't make it any simpler, that's the REALITY of the situation and if you choose to deny certain truths that's your problem and I stand by my statement "we have enough homegrown cretins why import more"?
Certainly illegals contribute something into SS and may pay some taxes on their minimal wages but the average illegal costs us taxpayers much more than they or their employers will ever pay in.......you really want me to believe that these "anchor baby" illegals will ever be able to pay back in taxes what their baby's birth, feed and house that child will cost taxpayers.....and what happens if there's ongoing health problems?.......surely you're not that delusional!
That's an excellent quote from Pres. Reagan concerning people wanting to come to this country, although I don't see any tacit approval of illegal immigration in those comments however seeing as you've included Mr. Reagan into the discussion I'm sure you also well aware of his comments to the effect that...."a country that cannot protect it's borders is not a country anymore"......sure seems like a pretty clear opinion about illegal immigration doesn't it?
I choose to live in a constitutionally limited republic which was our intent since America's creation......if we continue down this path we'll be a republic alright.....a "banana republic".....is that your desire for our children's future?
I am the son of a LEGAL immigrant. My mother always wanted to come to the U.S. She followed our laws and became a citizen before she married a dashing young USMC Lt.
Legal immigration is OK. It brings many benefits. We routinely "brain-drain" other countries by bringing in medical doctors, engineers and scientists. Their loss, our gain.
Luis is a good FReeper of long standing, and he is not in favor of law breaking.
Enough of my speech. I now return you to this thread, which is already in progress.
" I ate in Hell's Kitchen and heard more languages spoken in one place than I've heard in my entire life, and I had a cabbie tell me that the real America was not to be found in papers stored in D.C., the real America was in the immigrant neighborhoods of the Big Apple...and I believe he's right."
I agree. When are you moving your family to Hell's Kitchen??
"The greatest city in the world is an American city filled with immigrants from every corner of the globe."
Why ?? Is it because of the desireability of living in a graffiti-infested,hell hole, with high crime, long welfare lines.etc, or is it something else??