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Pius XII and John Paul II
The American Cause ^ | 4-11-2005 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 04/12/2005 12:50:40 PM PDT by vox_freedom

Now that the mourning for John Paul II has ended and he has been laid to rest in St. Peter's, it is time to consider the state of the church he led for 27 years. For, despite his extraordinary life, his holiness and his critical role in bringing an end to communist rule in Eastern Europe, the condition of the church is grave.

Two years ago, Kenneth C. Jones of St. Louis pulled together a slim book he titled "Index of Leading Catholic Indicators: The Church Since Vatican II." As that church council ended 40 years ago this year, what good fruit did it bear? Since 1965:

The number of Catholic priests has fallen from 58,000 to 45,000. By 2020, there will be 31,000 and half will be over 70.

In 1965, 1,575 new priests were ordained. In 2002, the number was 450. Some 3,000 parishes are today without priests.

Between 1965 and 2002, the number of seminarians fell from 49,999 to 4,700, a decline of over 90 percent. Two-thirds of the seminaries open in 1965 have since closed their doors.

The number of Catholic nuns, 180,000 in 1965, has fallen by 60 percent. Their average age is now 68. The number of teaching nuns has fallen 94 percent since the close of Vatican II.

The number of young men studying to be Jesuits has fallen by 90 percent and of those studying to be Christian Brothers by 99 percent. The religious orders seem to be dying out in America.

Almost half the Catholic high schools open in 1965 have closed. There were 4.5 million students in Catholic schools in the mid-1960s. Today, there is about half that number.

Only 10 percent of lay religious teachers in 2002 accepted church teaching on contraception, 53 percent believed a Catholic woman could get an abortion and remain a good Catholic, 65 percent said Catholics have a right to divorce and remarry, and in a New York Times poll, 70 percent of Catholics ages 18 to 54 said they believed the Holy Eucharist was but a "symbolic reminder" of Jesus.

Where three in four Catholics attended mass on Sunday in 1958, today one in four do. All this happened during the papacies of Paul VI and John Paul II. Now let us look back to the 35 years previous to the end of Vatican II, from 1930-1965, where the dominant pope was Pius XII, the "Catholic Moment" in America.

In that period, the number of Catholics and priests in America doubled. The most visible prelate was not Cardinal Law, but Bishop Fulton J. Sheen, whose TV ratings bested those of Milton Berle, who cracked, "He has better writers than I do." Parochial schools and Catholic high schools could not be built fast enough to accommodate the baby boomers of Catholic parents. Masses were full on Sundays, and there were long lines outside the confessionals on Saturday.

The papacy of Pius XII was a time of explosive growth in the church, while that of John Paul II coincided with Catholic scandal and decline. Was the Holy Father responsible for the latter? No, but it is regrettably true that the decline that began at the close of Vatican II continued unabated through the papacy of John Paul II. Conceding his sanctity and charisma, he was unable to stop it.

But what was the cause of it? Defenders of Vatican II say that blaming the council "reforms" they cherish for the decline in vocations and devotion is a classic case of the logical fallacy, "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc." After this, therefore, because of this.

Simply because a precipitous Catholic decline began with Vatican II does not mean Vatican II was the cause, they contend. Perhaps not. But there is no question but that – measuring what the council produced against what Catholics were promised – it was, in Jimmy Carter's phrase, "a limited success." Neither Paul VI nor John Paul II was able to arrest the spread of heresy, defections and disbelief that followed the Second Vatican Council.

While the church has maintained her numerical strength in America, this is due only to immigration. As one Chicago priest said, each week he buries a Lithuanian or Polish Catholic – and baptizes two Hispanic babies.

What happened to Catholicism is what happened to America. Both passed through a moral, social and cultural revolution that has altered the most basic beliefs of men and women. There has been a "transvaluation of all values." What was considered scandalous or immoral not long ago – promiscuity, abortion, homosexuality – is now considered progressive. It says everything about our age that, were a judicial nominee in America to echo the views of John Paul II on human life, the Democratic Senate would unanimously filibuster his nomination to death and denounce him as an extremist.

With much of the church having succumbed to the heresy of modernism, it needs an Athanasius. As good a man as the pope was, as great as were his achievements, as noble as was his witness for life, the Catholic Church still awaits that bishop.


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KEYWORDS: cary; catholic; church; mass; modernism; nuns; pius; pope; priests; religion; roman; vocations
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The Catholic Church does, indeed, need an Athanasius.
1 posted on 04/12/2005 12:50:42 PM PDT by vox_freedom
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To: vox_freedom
"the condition of the church is grave"

Was Pat asleep during the funeral?

2 posted on 04/12/2005 12:51:43 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: vox_freedom

Dear Pat,

The Church is not Amero-centric. There are no shortages of priests on any other continent but North America.


3 posted on 04/12/2005 12:53:04 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever

Exactly! We aren't so high and mighty in the church. A nice lesson for those with ears to hear and eyes to see because we will find the same to be the case in the Kingdom of God.

Note: This is not the same as in the so-called United Nations. In world politics we are indispensible at this moment.


4 posted on 04/12/2005 12:57:14 PM PDT by johnb838 (Santo Subito! Presto!)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Dear Pat,
The official period of mourning does not end until the conclave begins on April 18th. So shutith upeth...

WW


5 posted on 04/12/2005 12:57:40 PM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: Rutles4Ever
There are no shortages of priests on any other continent but North America.

There are severe shortages of priests in other areas, including most places in Europe. Do note the other statistics (in the article) that even surpass the horrendous numbers in vocations.

6 posted on 04/12/2005 1:01:33 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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To: vox_freedom

Pat (DOH!) forgets that Vatican II was the responsibility of Pope John XXIII.


7 posted on 04/12/2005 1:01:43 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: vox_freedom; All

Buchanan makes the mistake that many others do: Leaving out the influence of Humane Vitae, abortion, and the culture of the 60’s out the debate.

Consider the following

Many people left the Church after Humane Vitae, and many do so today over birth control.

Birth control has had a TREMENDOUS effect on the priesthood * many priests come from large families. With Catholics using Birth control and having just two – three kids, this has seriously reduced the number of candidates to the priesthood.
* Remember the timeframe – free love, question authority, et cetera. All these are incompatible with the faith, and people chose this lifestyle instead of their faith. Birth Control enabled the free love society.
* Many Catholics have aborted their children – once again reducing the number of candidates to the priesthood.
The damage done from birth control will be evident for decades, if not centuries..

It’s easy to lay blame at Vatican II by a correlation in the decline of the Clergy/Religious, but I think it’s short sighted and an incomplete analysis.



8 posted on 04/12/2005 1:02:13 PM PDT by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: vox_freedom
"Now that the mourning for John Paul II has ended"

No the period of mourning goes on for 8 days after internment.

9 posted on 04/12/2005 1:09:40 PM PDT by bnelson44
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

Pat forgets that Vatican II was the responsibility of Pope John XXIII.


True. Pat doesn't even mention John XXIII. It may be because his papacy was considerably shorter than Paul VI and JP II, and Vatican II was towards the end of his papacy. So, while he was the driving force behind making it happen, the implementation of Vatican II reforms has taken place almost entirely under the above-named popes.


10 posted on 04/12/2005 1:25:32 PM PDT by bastantebueno55 (Viva Jorge W Arbusto!)
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To: vox_freedom
Obviously, Pat hasn't read the Council documents. If he did, he'd see that the documents themselves are rather orthodox in nature.
11 posted on 04/12/2005 1:26:46 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: 1stFreedom

Blaming Humanea Vitae as the reason for the declines in the Church is just as short-sighted.

I know of numerous priests who left simply because they couldn't stand the liberalism that gained dominance in the Church heirarchy and at the seminaries.

It could be very well that the collapse of Catholic discipline brought about by the direct actions of John XXIII and the continuation of his disastrous trajectory was what brought about the insanity of the 60's.

Had the Catholic Church held firm on it's disciplines and fortified Catholic teaching as the original schemata would have done, the 60's, the sexual revolution and the catastrophe in the Church would not have been so severe or would have been averted.

Most Catholics today think they are hearing Catholicism on EWTN and other sources and all they are actually hearing is the liberalism that came to the fore during and after Vatican II.



12 posted on 04/12/2005 1:26:54 PM PDT by Gerard.P (If you've lost your faith, you don't know you've lost it. ---Fr. Malachi Martin R.I.P.)
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To: hispanichoosier

What good are the documents when the heirarchy of the Church itself ignored and continues to ignore them? Numerous excesses and false interpretations of them were and still are constantly imbibed in by bishops, Cardinals and the post conciliar Popes.


13 posted on 04/12/2005 1:28:34 PM PDT by Gerard.P (If you've lost your faith, you don't know you've lost it. ---Fr. Malachi Martin R.I.P.)
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To: vox_freedom
With much of the church having succumbed to the heresy of modernism, it needs an Athanasius. As good a man as the pope was, as great as were his achievements, as noble as was his witness for life, the Catholic Church still awaits that bishop.

Buchanan wants a Torquemada.

Jesus was not Torquemada, nor would a Torquemada be an imitator of the Good Shepherd.

Buchanan, and others who want a Torquemada, are going to be very disappointed.

14 posted on 04/12/2005 1:29:50 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: hispanichoosier
...that the documents themselves are rather orthodox in nature.

I agree that most of the documents are somewhat orthodox, yet their ambiguity allowed for an implementation of deep changes -- to a very large degree unpredicted and unexpected at the time of the Council's close.

15 posted on 04/12/2005 1:32:07 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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To: Gerard.P
What good are the documents when the heirarchy of the Church itself ignored and continues to ignore them?

Because when all the bishops teach something regarding faith or morals in union with the Holy Father, it becomes part of the ordinary Magisterium.
16 posted on 04/12/2005 1:32:58 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: vox_freedom
I agree that most of the documents are somewhat orthodox, yet their ambiguity allowed for an implementation of deep changes -- to a very large degree unpredicted and unexpected at the time of the Council's close.

Then what's needed is better catechisis. Unfortunately, bishops and priests have been dilatory in their obligation to teach the faith to their flocks.
17 posted on 04/12/2005 1:35:06 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: vox_freedom
Icon of St. Athanasius. His relics lay in Venice, Italy.


18 posted on 04/12/2005 1:36:29 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sinkspur
>>>>>>Buchanan wants a Torquemada.

Hardly. He wants what he says--an Athanasius, someone who will call heresy by its right name. Pat knows that John Paul was great, as he wrote in his earlier column. But John Paul was not a great administator. We do need a little more firmness in administration, a little more cracking down on heretics.

19 posted on 04/12/2005 1:38:03 PM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: hispanichoosier
Unfortunately, bishops and priests have been dilatory in their obligation to teach the faith to their flocks.

You get a standing ovation from me, for that statement.

20 posted on 04/12/2005 1:40:22 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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