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To: Tacis

If our borders are not secured and our government does not become more selective in whom they are bringing here Citizenship in the United States will not mean much.

As these illegals keep building in population density they will be outvoting the native population killing us with taxes to support the programs they require.


30 posted on 05/09/2005 6:50:19 PM PDT by puppypusher
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To: puppypusher
As these illegals keep building in population density they will be outvoting the native population killing us with taxes to support the programs they require.

Accurate description of what has already occurred in California.

32 posted on 05/09/2005 7:26:50 PM PDT by janetgreen (CLOSE THE BORDERS)
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To: puppypusher
What follows are items one and two from Thomas W. Chittum's Civil War II checklist. The checklist is being completed at an ever accelerating rate. Very scary.

Item 1: If the racial tattooing of ethnic classification on ID cards and other documents persists, we’ll know the countdown clock is ticking. Every time you see a blank for your ethnic group on a form, think Civil War II.

Item 2: If Illegal aliens are allowed to vote, even in local elections, it will be another unmistakable signal that American citizenship, and therefore America itself, is finished. If the millions of illegal aliens in America are granted amnesty and get the vote, it will mean open immigration and a giant step toward Civil War II.

33 posted on 05/09/2005 7:28:11 PM PDT by Desron13
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To: puppypusher
I may be wrong but I have a feeling that many illegals are already voting. How in the world could you know in a city, even in a moderately sized city, would you know if they were legal citizens voting? If all ballots were printed in English could at least take care of some.

If you register by motor voter, How would any one know for sure that one is a citizen

Some times it seems as if it's beyond repair.
36 posted on 05/09/2005 7:42:18 PM PDT by frannie ( Don't fear tommorrow, -- God is already there)
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To: puppypusher; janetgreen
"As these illegals keep building in population density they will be outvoting the native population killing us with taxes to support the programs they require."

This is how it is going to happen. Our leaders will pretend to be shocked! shocked! when the courts spring the trap, after our leaders have laid the bait.

Fernando Ortiz was a ‘landscape engineer’ on Long Island who had demanded to be able to vote, on the basis that he had been paying state and federal taxes for ten years. Actually, he had been stopped from casting a ballot by a poll watcher who had suspected his citizenship status, and (illegally, as it turned out) demanded proof of his identity and legal qualification to vote. Ortiz had won a multi-million dollar settlement against the Republican Party of New York in the subsequent “racial profiling and ethnic intimidation” civil suit, but he did not stop there.

Instead, with massive support from the ACLU and various Hispanic “immigrants rights” foundations, he had pressed his demand to be allowed to vote all the way to the Supreme Court…and he won. The Supreme Court, in its famous 5-4 decision, ruled that negligence in securing America’s borders against illegal immigration on the part of the federal government, could not be held against “undocumented workers who played by the rules and paid their taxes,” once they were established in America—legally or not. The federal government had not taken reasonable efforts to secure the border, and had not pursued "undocumented workers" in the USA. Instead, it openly permitted them most of the benefits of citizenship, and it collected their taxes. "No taxation without representation!" was the cry heard all the way to the Supreme Court. The State of New York had then sleep-walked through an aimless and desultory case for denying the vote—and citizenship—to “undocumented workers.”

Following Ortiz v. New York, a stunned America woke up to discover that there were not only an amazing twenty-two million illegal aliens hiding in plain sight across the land, but that eight million of them immediately qualified to vote. In a nation split 50-50 down party and ideological lines, these eight million new voters were recognized to be the certain majority-makers in future elections, and both parties set record lows for cravenness in pandering to their “needs.” Chief among their “needs” were liberal new family reunification laws, and these instant citizens—illegal aliens only a year before—began bringing the remainders of their families to the USA. Legally.


69 posted on 05/09/2005 9:09:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: puppypusher
re: If our borders are not secured and our government does not become more selective in whom they are bringing here Citizenship in the United States will not mean much. )))

Oh, it'll mean something. We'll be the suckers who pay for the social services for the Rich Guy's slaves.

92 posted on 05/10/2005 5:20:07 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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