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A Reputation in Tatters - Time To Impeach Bush (by Paul Craig Roberts)
Chronicles Magazine ^
| 5/20/05
Posted on 05/20/2005 1:26:39 PM PDT by KidGlock
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To: tahotdog
Try to keep it concise so somebody will read it.
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posted on
05/20/2005 5:59:57 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: Gondring
LOL. I didn't even know any of them talked. We were out of town and I guess I missed a few things.
282
posted on
05/20/2005 6:00:18 PM PDT
by
Peach
To: KidGlock
"The (United Kingdom) attorney general said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defense, humanitarian intervention or UNSC (U.N. Security Council) authorization. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult."
The writer doesn't mention that the so-called memo which he quotes has been proclaimed a forgery by the United Kingdom attorney general; and at present there is a full-scale inquiry going on to find who forged it.
To: KidGlock
Not only did Muslims hate Carter but rabbits did too
284
posted on
05/20/2005 6:02:34 PM PDT
by
woofie
("Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!!")
To: iconoclast
Paul Craig Roberts is and has been a respected conservative commentator since you were in your diapers, if not before.I was a respected liberal for 47 years(since birth), the last 4 I have been conservative. People change. Maybe he went liberal the way I went conservative.
People change.
285
posted on
05/20/2005 6:02:57 PM PDT
by
processing please hold
(Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
To: Gondring; Fledermaus
BTW, I was very vocal at the time in saying that Bush was going about it wrong by playing up the WMD angle. The true and legal justification for going in was in the UN Resolutions. IOW, I'm not just giving a post hoc critique.You are correct. The UN resolutions were sufficient. I said the same at the time.
By making the legal argument, with true justification, Bush would have had a stronger position in dealing with the UN, too. But he just had to play the emotional card, and that's where he lost. Rather than making the UN fools, he made us look that way. :-(
This is where you're not being completely fair to Bush. The reason for the emphasis on WMD's was because Tony Blair told him that was the only basis upon which he could secure sufficient support in Parliament. It was a mistake, but hindsight is always easier than foresight.
See...comments like that are why both neocons and paleocons hate me. :-)
I used to play USCF tournament chess. In chess there's a saying: "You can play your opponent, or you can play the board." I prefer to play the board!
286
posted on
05/20/2005 6:06:09 PM PDT
by
tarheelswamprat
(This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
To: mountainfolk
Facts is facts. Correction.
Propaganda is propaganda,
287
posted on
05/20/2005 6:07:09 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: randog
This guy relies on British "super secret" memos and British law (opinion, actually) to bring a case of impeachment against an American president??!!dont laugh at British law, at least those guys speak a form of English
288
posted on
05/20/2005 6:07:44 PM PDT
by
woofie
("Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!!")
To: muawiyah
I just put you in the "Peach" category.
Not worthy of response.
289
posted on
05/20/2005 6:09:35 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: KidGlock
"Bushs lies have caused the deaths of tens of thousands of people, injured and maimed tens of thousands more, devastated a country, destroyed Americas reputation, caused 1 billion Muslims to hate America, ruined our alliances with Europe, created a police state at home, and squandered $300 billion dollars and counting"
"deaths of tens of thousands?" that's like 10k plus...where has this occured exactly?
"destroyed americas reputation?" 9-11 destroyed america's people.
"caused muslims to hate america." What planet is this idiot from?
"created a police state at home?" that he did.
"squandered 300 billion?" What president or congress hasn't?
290
posted on
05/20/2005 6:10:01 PM PDT
by
takenoprisoner
(illegally posting on an expired tag)
To: nuffsenuff
Anyone know what happened to him? From the tenor of his article, it sounds like he has either joined the Paleocon Buchananite "pitchfork brigade", or has waded so deeply into valueless Libertarianism that he no longer sees Evil for what it is. Either way, he's off the reservation. My experience has been: scratch a Paleocon and you'll find an anti-Semite underneath. Scratch a Libertarian, and you'll find a coward.
To: woofie
Yes, Carter was nearly dragged from his boat and drowned by a vicious swamp rabbit.
Do you suppose the rabbit knew something?
To: Fledermaus
I thought the no-fly zones were in the ceasefire agreement. Nope. I don't see them there. I'm looking at http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/index.html. It's not the UN site itself, but is easier to use and I don't see differences between the docs there and the ones at http://documents.un.org/globalE.html.
Anyway, it seems that the Northern and Southern No-Fly Zones were set up in April 1991 and August 1992, respectively, to protect the Kurds and Shiites, respectively, were trying to overthrow Saddam. Nothing in the ceasefire mentions them at all.
Clinton extended the Southern one, too, and attacked targets outside it.
293
posted on
05/20/2005 6:17:50 PM PDT
by
Gondring
(Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
To: muawiyah
rabbits are the first to know
294
posted on
05/20/2005 6:17:50 PM PDT
by
woofie
("Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!!")
To: Gondring
Me too.
I'm kinda hopeful, bur bascially in the same boat as you.
295
posted on
05/20/2005 6:17:58 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Probably goes back to the 6-Day War.
296
posted on
05/20/2005 6:20:42 PM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
(Official Ruling Class Oligarch Oppressor)
To: iconoclast
Do you have a high school diploma? Yes why do you ask ?
297
posted on
05/20/2005 6:23:06 PM PDT
by
oldbrowser
(You lost the election.....get over it.)
To: KidGlock
Knee jerk freepers consistently miss this simple logical fallacy:
Conservatives generally vote for conservatives
Conservatives all voted for Bush
QED Bush is a conservative.
(hint: he ain't)
I voted for Bush, and would do it again when faced with the choice between him and Kerry. That does NOT mean I think he is a conservative. He is most decidedly NOT a conservative. He is a strictly moral statist. The only difference between Bush and the leftist statist is that the leftist believes there are no moral absolutes. The leftist wants to use the power of the state to enforce this amoralism and economic redistributionism on the population. Bush wants to use the power of the state for other things. Both are statists. They BELIEVE in government and the power of the state to "do good."They just define "good" differently.
There are a few of us who still believe that even if Billy Graham had absolute power, it would still be a bad thing to have that kind of power concentrated in the state. Those who remember the principles upon which the USA was founded, think Bush abhorrent for this reason, whether he lied or not about IRAQ.
To: pbrown
People change. For sure.
But Paul hasn't.
299
posted on
05/20/2005 6:27:19 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: Gondring
Wait another 5-7 years when the boomers start retiring in mass, it's called gradualism as opposed to getting hit all at once.
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