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Death by a Thousand Blogs - (internet catching up with Chinese government - interesting piece here!)
NEW YORK TIMES.COM ^ | MAY 24, 2005 | NICHOLAS KRISTOF

Posted on 05/23/2005 11:14:54 PM PDT by CHARLITE

"The Chinese Communist Party survived a brutal civil war with the Nationalists, battles with American forces in Korea and massive pro-democracy demonstrations at Tiananmen Square. But now it may finally have met its match - the Internet.

The collision between the Internet and Chinese authorities is one of the grand wrestling matches of history, visible in part at http://www.yuluncn.com.

That's the Web site of a self-appointed journalist named Li Xinde. He made a modest fortune selling Chinese medicine around the country, and now he's started the Chinese Public Opinion Surveillance Net - one of four million blogs in China.

Mr. Li travels around China with an I.B.M. laptop and a digital camera, investigating cases of official wrongdoing. Then he writes about them on his Web site and skips town before the local authorities can arrest him.

His biggest case so far involved a deputy mayor of Jining who is accused of stealing more than $400,000 and operating like a warlord. One of the deputy mayor's victims was a businesswoman whom he allegedly harassed and tried to kidnap."

China, fortunately, is bigger than its emperor. Some 100 million Chinese now surf the Web, and e-mail and Web chat rooms are ubiquitous.

The authorities have arrested a growing number of Web dissidents. But there just aren't enough police to control the Internet, and when sites are banned, Chinese get around them with proxy servers.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: blogging; blogs; china; chinese; citizens; communist; crime; crimewatch; internet; lizinde; party; publicopinion; square; surveillancenet; technology; tiananmen

1 posted on 05/23/2005 11:14:55 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

Death by zot?


2 posted on 05/23/2005 11:22:33 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Remember, once you're over the hill, you pick up speed.)
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To: CHARLITE
Mr. Li travels around China with an I.B.M. laptop and a digital camera, investigating cases of official wrongdoing. Then he writes about them on his Web site and skips town before the local authorities can arrest him.

But when the national authorities catch up to him, he will be executed.

3 posted on 05/23/2005 11:23:34 PM PDT by Penner
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To: CHARLITE
So where is China going? I think the Internet is hastening China along the same path that South Korea, Chile and especially Taiwan pioneered. In each place, a booming economy nurtured a middle class, rising education, increased international contact and a growing squeamishness about torturing dissidents.

Like a good liberal, he believes authoritarian communists and anti-communists governments are exactly perfectly the same. What a fool, totally ignorant of the actual histories of these countries.

4 posted on 05/23/2005 11:37:00 PM PDT by Odyssey-x
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To: Penner

thats china - he has a hundred brothers. Executing him is futile. Blessed are teh chineese dissidents.

China will change. The question is ... will it be a controlled change or a revolution. You can't stop information anymore - and you can't keep people from wanting to be free... that's like a virus.


5 posted on 05/24/2005 12:24:39 AM PDT by Double_in_a_bight (a big boy did it and ran away)
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To: CHARLITE

Not much English on that website. Look slike its pictures and reports of people beaten up by govt thugs.


6 posted on 05/24/2005 1:00:06 AM PDT by Podkayne
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Why Kristof is optimistic on China

http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/archives2/001863.html
"Death by a Thousand Blogs: China's leaders have a new watchdog," op-ed by Nicholas D. Kristof, New York Times, 24 May 2005, p. A25.
Another brilliant piece by Kristof on China, who is America's best Sinologist. Here are the key parts:

The Chinese Communist Party survived a brutal civil war with the Nationalists, battles with American forces in Korea and massive pro-democracy demonstrations at Tiananmen Square. But now it may finally have met its match-the Internet.
The collision between the Internet and Chinese authorities is one of the grand wrestling matches of history, visible in part at www.yuluncn.com.

That's the Web site of a self-appointed journalist named Li Xinde. He made a modest fortune selling Chinese medicines around the country, and now he's started the Chinese Public Opinion Surveillance Net-one of four million blogs in China.

Mr. Li travels around China with an I.B.M. laptop and a digital camera, investigating cases of official wrongdoing. Then he writes about them on his Web site and skips town before the local authorities can arrest him.



Kristof lambastes Hu Jintao's recent turn toward old sloganeering, especially in support of North Korea, but I think he forgets that not only must "Nixon go to China," sometimes "Nixon needs to rule China." Hu needs to be hard as the party goes soft, because a soft Hu will lead to a political collapse no one wants.

Kristof himself sees the path I also predict: "I think the Internet is hastening China along the same path that South Korea, Chile and especially Taiwan pioneered. In each place, a booming economy nurtured a middle class, rising education, increased international contact and a growing squeamishness about torturing dissidents."

My point is the same: China will change because of the Chinese, not because of the West, although we can certainly screw it up all right with crazy dreams of wars some may consider worth waging.


Posted by Thomas P.M. Barnett at 03:30 AM Evoked? Provoked? Ask Tom


7 posted on 05/25/2005 8:08:45 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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