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A new W. Nile-mosquito connection (via mouse) HIV?
newsday ^ | June 7, 2005 | BRYN NELSON

Posted on 06/07/2005 4:57:32 AM PDT by epluribus_2

... Mosquitoes feeding on the same mouse can pass the West Nile virus among themselves, even in the absence of a viral infection in their unwitting host.

This mosquito-to-mosquito transmission, observed in a laboratory by researchers from Texas and Britain, suggests the virus that has blazed across North America may have benefited from a mechanism in which some animals serve as little more than temporary conduits for viral particles.

If the phenomenon - known as nonviremic transmission - indeed occurs in nature, it may force re-evaluation of the assumption that animals such as horses or rodents are so-called dead-end hosts that play little or no role in spreading ... ...

For the study, the researchers balanced an anesthetized mouse over two mesh-covered containers: one with West Nile-infected mosquitoes and the other with virus-free mosquitoes. After allowing both groups to feed on the mouse for an hour, the scientists sequestered the uninfected female feeders for two weeks and then tested them for the presence of the virus. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: transmission; virus; westnile
Think anyone would DARE try that mouse experiment with HIV? Not for millions of dollars? Is the purple mafia THAT intimidating?
1 posted on 06/07/2005 4:57:33 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: epluribus_2

I've been waiting for anyone in the media to point out that a virus is a virus, and if mosquitos can pass West Nile between humans, they can pass HIV too. All I've heard so far is crickets.


2 posted on 06/07/2005 5:15:05 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: AdmSmith

pong


3 posted on 06/07/2005 5:19:28 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nina0113

They have to re-look at tests run on this subject previously using misquitos as a possible vector for HIV. They concluded then that the mosquito is not a vector. This data may toss that conclusion out. Likewise, this may also lead researchers to solving one of the great mysteries of Ebola's primary vector...they have not yet identified it.


4 posted on 06/07/2005 5:20:52 AM PDT by NetValue (Islam cannot progress until it separates their states from their religion.)
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To: NetValue

Pray that DDT is made legal again soon.

I will not be responsible for my actions if one of my children were to become infected with HIV via mosquitos. There are LOTS of people who better pray that never happens.


5 posted on 06/07/2005 5:24:54 AM PDT by American_Centurion
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To: NetValue

the question remains - would a proposal for doing this experiment with HIV be squashed at the highest levels - because of the potential unacceptable level of public concern that may be caused in high HIV populated areas where mosquitos could transmit the disease?

Party line - not one proven case of blahblahblah...

That is not scientific method. It is flat-earther science.
The fabulous crowd also explains how noone has ever been shown to have caught it from a dentist or restaurant worker - but those dentists sho' wear dem masks an' gloves now to protect demselfs! When I asked about tears and saliva during my pre-marital "session" to get my license, I was glared at in nazgul fashion by the health dept nurse - with no real answer.


6 posted on 06/07/2005 5:28:26 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: epluribus_2

Ah yes. Political corectness in the health field as well as that of national security. We will be our own undoing.


7 posted on 06/07/2005 5:33:20 AM PDT by NetValue (Islam cannot progress until it separates their states from their religion.)
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To: NetValue

http://www.plymouthmosquito.com/aids.htm

either we have nothing to worry about or they are lying. Or just wrong.


8 posted on 06/07/2005 5:35:53 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: NetValue

It is most correct to spell it "Correctness" and that spelling should replace my error of "corectness".

Neural link between brain and fingers remains impaired until the coffee kicks in.


9 posted on 06/07/2005 5:38:19 AM PDT by NetValue (Islam cannot progress until it separates their states from their religion.)
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To: nina0113
"I've been waiting for anyone in the media to point out that a virus is a virus... and if mosquitos can pass West Nile between humans, they can pass HIV too."

Not true, fortunately. Some viruses can only survive for a very short period of time unless they're in an environment in which they can live (i.e. in an organism that they're able to infect, rather than one which is immune). Luckily, HIV is such a virus, making it difficult -- if not impossible -- to transmit through mosquitos, simply because it can't survive in the insect's system long enough to be transmitted. And if you think about it, if 'skeeters were able to pass HIV from one person to another, there'd be a lot of unexplained cases of HIV.
10 posted on 06/07/2005 5:39:38 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: epluribus_2
"either we have nothing to worry about or they are lying. Or just wrong."

When truth mattered more than avoiding possible panic through public ignorance, I would have trusted such a report as your hot-link. Not so today. The prevention of panic among the sheeple is a health industry priority. If that were not the case, quarantine would have been imposed for HIV infections from the beginning in 1982. When will we reach the first billion deaths from HIV?

11 posted on 06/07/2005 5:44:30 AM PDT by NetValue (Islam cannot progress until it separates their states from their religion.)
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To: LIConFem

There are a lot of unexplained cases of HIV infection and there have been for twenty years. But since most adults have sex-lives, that has been a most convenient way to categorize transmission. Not to say that it isn't. But how can you convince us that mosquitos are NOT a vector when children have such a high rate in Africa? It's all dirty needles, right, and Mothers milk and ....Nope. Look again at the mosquito vector. No study yet provides convincing science showing mosquitos are not a vector.


12 posted on 06/07/2005 5:53:12 AM PDT by NetValue (Islam cannot progress until it separates their states from their religion.)
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To: NetValue
When will we reach the first billion deaths from HIV?

We haven't seen the first death from HIV yet. Because the HIV hypothesis is a myth

I mean that, to date, the HIV virus has yet to be isolated. After twenty years of extremely well-funded research the AIDs industry has failed to produce a candidate virus particle and then show that that particle is able to replicate in a viral manner. This is a basic step of clinical epidemiology and is conspicuous by its absence.

The HIV hypothesis (that there is a virus HIV that causes the disease AIDs) is not proven. Indeed this viral theory is contra-indicated. Did AIDs spread like a virus, expanding exponentially like the experts said it would? No. Because no virus is involved. When a disease refuses to spread out of its at-risk groups, then you are likely looking at toxin-exposure or diet deficiency. You are not looking at the activity of a pathogen. Pellagra, SMON, Beriberi - all had nothing to do with infectious agents and everything to do with toxin exposure. AIDs is no different.

And when 90% of all AIDs fatalities in the US have been due to liver damage caused by fatal doses of AZT, we have a strong candidate for the cause of toxin exposure. AIDs didn't start with AZT of course - it began with toxin exposure to poppers amongst SF gays - but has long since sequed into iatrogenic AZT poisoning. When AZT stopped being used in heavy 1000 mg dosages and the new less-toxic antivirals/protease inhibitors came in, AIDs deaths reduced dramatically.

Another proof. Needle-stick cases of AIDs are unknown, unless the "victims" are then medicated with the so-called anti-virals. Compare and contrast this with Hepatitus where there are 1000's of Needle-stick cases yearly. The difference: you can virally infect with a needle-stick, but you can't infect someone with long-term toxin exposure.

13 posted on 06/07/2005 6:01:44 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: NetValue
"No study yet provides convincing science showing mosquitos are not a vector."

Except the studies that show that the virus can't survive (for very long) outside a suitable host organism. And forget Africa for a minute... where are all the unexplained HIV cases here in the U.S., specifically here in NYC or Long Island (large gay populations in NYC and in the Hamptons on LI)? My "proof" (evidence, really) is that there's no evidence that HIV is being spread in any way other than direct fluid transfer (sex, needle-sharing, et cetera). And if there were a rash of unexplained HIV cases here in the north east, I'm sure we'd have heard about it by now.

As for what's happening in Africa, if children have such a high rate, perhaps it's because mommy was infected when she was pregnant (the child isn't always protected from the virus).
14 posted on 06/07/2005 6:18:10 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: NetValue

The other question I would ask -- and one which might allow for the mosquito connection -- is, is HIV in Africa the same as what's being spread here in the U.S. and Europe? Is it possible that, because the infected populations in African countries are so isolated, the specific strain(s) are different, and perhaps more robust/virulent?


15 posted on 06/07/2005 6:40:56 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: American_Centurion

The banning of DDT was a racist population control decision directed at poor countries with populations primarily posessing black and brown skin. There never has been a scientific basis for banning it. Banning it did not directly reduce the danger to any species unless the insect food of that species had been reduced by the DDT.

DDT did shift the "balance of nature" by reducing certain insect populations. It did not shift it by thinning shells or other such affects.


16 posted on 06/07/2005 6:53:33 AM PDT by Geritol (All I need is another hole in my head...)
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