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Crime Drops, Despite Expiration of Gun Ban
CNS News Service ^ | 8 June 2005 | Susan Jones

Posted on 06/08/2005 10:49:17 AM PDT by 45Auto

So much for "anti-gun hysterics" and predictions of "blood running in the streets," a Second Amendment group says.

Nine months after the Clinton-era "assault weapons ban" expired, the FBI has released crime statistics showing a drop in homicides in 2004 -- the first such drop since 1999. The FBI report said all types of violent crime declined last year, and cities with more than a million people showed the largest drops in violent crime.

When the Clinton ban on certain semiautomatic weapons expired last September, gun control groups warned that violent crime would escalate, including violence against children.

But those "doom and gloom" forecasts have been exposed as "pure clap-trap," said SAF President Joe Tartaro.

"Where is the news media on this?" Tartaro wondered. He said if the number of homicides had gone up, reporters would be writing front-page stories linking the rise to the end of the semi-auto ban.

"But that's not the case, and the mainstream press, with the exception of an April 28 New York Times article, has been pretty quiet about it," Tartaro said.

The FBI crime report is more proof that the rhetoric from anti-gunners is bogus, Tartaro added. "The press should now question all the other outrageous claims and predictions from the gun control crowd."

"The gun control movement is, and always has been, built on a foundation of hysteria and lies," SAF Founder Alan Gottlieb said.

"From their lawsuits against gun makers to their assaults on the firearm civil rights of law-abiding American citizens, these gun grabbers have been deliberately deceitful and consistently wrong."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: aw; bang; banglist; crimerate; guns; rkba
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1 posted on 06/08/2005 10:49:17 AM PDT by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto

Amen! Love my gun.


2 posted on 06/08/2005 10:50:38 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: 45Auto

DESPITE????????You mean because of.........


3 posted on 06/08/2005 10:52:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (It's not up to the gov't to give you an education. It's up to you to take it from them......)
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To: 45Auto
"The press should now question all the other outrageous claims and predictions from the gun control crowd."

Not likely.

4 posted on 06/08/2005 10:52:42 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: 45Auto

"More guns, less crime!"

It is amazing how that seems to happen all over America.

Throw in some mandatory 2 or 3 strike rules to keep liberal judges from releasing professional criminals with the above, and crime rates drop.


5 posted on 06/08/2005 10:53:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: 45Auto
I know you're just trying to break it to me in the kindest possible way, but the truth is that I'm not gonna get my bloodbath, am I?

Dang it.

6 posted on 06/08/2005 10:55:45 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 45Auto
the mainstream press, with the exception of an April 28 New York Times article, has been pretty quiet about it,

Hmm. I'll have to find that one.
7 posted on 06/08/2005 10:57:46 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: 45Auto

The powerful figures in the gun control crowd like Sarah Brady are simply liars; they know the facts but still seek to disarm us because they're evil. I never make the assumption that Brady and folks like her are just dumb like her activist followers. They know what they're doing, they know they're out for more control.


8 posted on 06/08/2005 10:59:32 AM PDT by Firefigher NC
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To: 45Auto
"The gun control movement is, and always has been, built on a foundation of hysteria and lies," SAF Founder Alan Gottlieb said.

No, like other liberal causes, it has been built on the certainty of certain assumptions the intelligensia have formed. These assumptions could be questioned with evidence and facts -- like the FBI report in this story -- but since the assumptions are "known" to be correct the left must wait until some intellectual elite comes up with another explaination. When this new explaination is found, the media will be only too quick to give it press and air time.

9 posted on 06/08/2005 11:00:19 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Red Badger

BTTT


10 posted on 06/08/2005 11:00:19 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: 45Auto
"Where is the news media on this?" Tartaro wondered.

Don't be so sure of yourself, Mr. Tartaro. One school shooting with a once-banned gun and it's all over, my friend. They're just biding their time.

11 posted on 06/08/2005 11:01:43 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: 45Auto

Increases and decreases in crime are a product of highs and lows in collective social mood, not availability of firearms:
http://www.socionomics.org/
http://www.babylontoday.com/stocks_bonds.htm


12 posted on 06/08/2005 11:02:20 AM PDT by babylontoday (http://www.babylontoday.com/general_assets.htm)
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To: 45Auto

Bing, bang, boom!


13 posted on 06/08/2005 11:02:34 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male)
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To: 45Auto

Maybe "crime" has dropped because more criminals have realized its easier to make a fortune as attorneys and they all went to law school. There is probably some kind of character link between lawyers and crooks.

Now instead of mugging little old ladies, they are chasing ambulances and running adds about the possible side effects of medicines.


14 posted on 06/08/2005 11:06:26 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: 45Auto
The true liberal agenda:

Gun CONTROL

15 posted on 06/08/2005 11:11:59 AM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: 45Auto

and only the hoplophobic graboids are surprised by this.


16 posted on 06/08/2005 12:19:51 PM PDT by King Prout (I'd say I missed ya, but that'd be untrue... I NEVER MISS)
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To: babylontoday; 45Auto
Increases and decreases in crime are a product of highs and lows in collective social mood, not availability of firearms

I doubt this.

first: define "collective social mood"
second: prove that this exists
third: demonstrate how this will affect the decision making processes of individual hoodlums, where the likelihood of having their heads blown off would not.

17 posted on 06/08/2005 12:24:53 PM PDT by King Prout (I'd say I missed ya, but that'd be untrue... I NEVER MISS)
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To: 45Auto
Nine months after the Clinton-era "assault weapons ban" expired....

Uhm, I thought that was Bush 1's baby.

18 posted on 06/08/2005 12:33:44 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: andyk

I printed it out, but I don't have a web link to the article. It said all you might expect, closing with something like "The reason crime didn't drop is because of all the loopholes. If the government were serious about affecting crime rates, it should enact a greatly strengthened AWB that bans many more things, and will never sunset."


19 posted on 06/08/2005 1:37:55 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: King Prout

If you're not going to read links try using a little logic. Collective social mood is also what drives markets and economies, and when economies sink into recession/depression it further increases low social mood and pessimism. This in turn reduces individual purchasing, manufacturing optimism, and following that job creation. When folks get laid off they can't pay their bills and don't feel so warm and fuzzy. Of course the poor guy in the ghetto has never seen worse prospects for employment and acts accordingly figuring he's got nothing to loose. At least on the inside he gets 3 squares.

The U.S. is BEGINNING to reap the after-effects of the greatest economic and faux money bubble spike peak in the history of the republic.
http://www.babylontoday.com/general_assets.htm#mania
Now suppose that we roughly follow Japan's correction, which would be consistent with EVERY historical correction following this kind of event. However, the Japanese started their depression as the world's leading creditor nation with the world's highest personal savings rate. Today their housing market is at 50% of former values even 25 years later. Do you really think that the kind of economic/banking fallout, from a similar social mood in the U.S., wouldn't increase crime and thereby gun violence?


20 posted on 06/09/2005 5:49:44 AM PDT by babylontoday (http://www.babylontoday.com/general_assets.htm)
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