it's the arithmetic stooopid... before the election the Navy said there were about 100 pages still not released, so, unless there are about 100 pages MORE than the previous release, he's STILL lying
Posted on 06/09/2005 6:40:19 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie
John O'Neill on records release: 'This is hardly what we called for'
Sen. John Kerry's release of Navy records to his hometown Boston Globe newspaper is not the full disclosure sought by critics of his Vietnam war record, says John O'Neill, spokesman for Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
The group of more than 260 veterans who served in Kerry's swiftboat division asked the senator during his presidential campaign last year to sign a Standard Form 180 that would permit anyone to examine his full and unredacted military records at the Navy Department and the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, O'Neill said.
Instead, Kerry allowed Globe reporter Michael Kranish to obtain documents only from the Navy Department, which previously indicated its records were not complete.
"This is hardly what we called for," O'Neill said.
Jerome Corsi, co-author with O'Neill of the best-seller "Unfit for Command," told WorldNetDaily he believes Kerry did not sign the SF 180, because the form does not have an exception clause.
"It's a blanket release of documents to the American public," Corsi said. "This is not a Standard Form 180 procedure. I think he just called up the Navy and told them to send documents to the Boston Globe. I want to see the form posted on his website."
Kerry's records became a campaign issue as the senator emphasized his war record while Swift Boat Veterans for Truth waged a media campaign to counter many of his claims of heroism.
In an article Monday, Kranish wrote, "The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry's military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions."
Some Kerry supporters suggested the file's transcript of his grades at Yale, revealing grades inferior to President Bush's at the same school, were the reason.
But critic B.G. Burkett, a Vietnam vet and author of the book "Stolen Valor, said Kerry's authorized release Monday is a "continued cover up of his true military service" because it doesn't allow anyone to retrieve the full documentation.
"I have no doubt that he will claim that any additional effort to receive his full record is nothing more than partisan harassment," Burkett said. "I believe John Kerry is still perpetrating a cover-up."
During the campaign, the Kerry camp largely avoided responding to specific charges, and mainstream media repeated the assertion that the claims against the senator had been debunked, without providing evidence. Those who offered evidence contended the military's records supported Kerry's version of events, often without mentioning the swiftboat vets' assertion that it was Kerry himself who wrote the "official record" in many instances, in after-action reports.
As WorldNetDaily reported, William Middendorf, former secretary of the Navy, urged Kerry to open up his personnel files to resolve the question of whether the Democratic presidential nominee received a less-than-honorable discharge from the Navy.
O'Neill said if Kerry did execute a complete release of all records, his status between 1970 and 1978, when he received a discharge, could be resolved. Many critics believe Kerry previously received a less-than-honorable discharge because of his anti-war activities while a member of the Reserves, including unsanctioned meetings with North Vietnamese communist leaders in 1970 and 1971.
O'Neill also wants to know:
Did he ever receive orders to Cambodia or file any report of such a mission (whether at Christmas or otherwise);
Why did he receive much later citations for medals purportedly signed by Secretary Lehman who said he did not know of them;
Are there Hostile Fire and Personnel Injured by Hostile Fire Reports for Kerry's December 1968 Purple Heart award (when the officer in charge of the boat, Admiral Schacte, the treating Surgeon Louis Letson, and Kerry's division commander deny there was hostile fire causing a scratch). Steve Jones -- a principal of Lyon Research and a respected researcher who specializes in culling data at the National Archives, the Library of Congress and various military and museum repositories across the country -- told the American Spectator that Kerry's full file could contain a number of other documents not released Monday, including papers that verify his status in the Reserves up to 1978.
"It doesn't make sense that he is going through the Navy," Jones said. "Applying through the Navy gives this scenario the appearance of a personnel shuffle. Kerry said he applied to the Navy and the Boston Globe said they received his record from the Navy and that makes no sense when the relevant records are at the National Personnel Record Center, a part of the National Archives."
Jones added that by going through the Navy, "Kerry makes it appear that he is using the Navy to screen his file; he added a layer of bureaucracy when all he needed to do was sign an authorization allowing a third party to look at his record at the NPRC."
Jones explained to the Spectator that the Navy, which created the documents to begin with, is legally obligated to protect the privacy of the veteran."
If any negative material was removed from Kerry's file, the Navy most likely could only include the final version of a document.
That means if there are any less-than-honorable discharge orders, they might appear only in his file at the NPRC in St. Louis.
A former Kerry staffer told the Spectator that Republicans and Kerry opponents need to get a life.
"The man lost. He's now had to admit that he was [a worse] student than Bush and yet you keep hounding the man. Nothing will ever satisfy you people ... ."
This is the red herring that draws attention away from the serious problems in his records that have yet to be released. Just something to distract the people who don't follow closely so they can comfortably "move on" from the issue.
JFK signed his DD180.
Why won't JF'nK sign his?
Could it be it would reveal a ..
Profile in Cowardice
How about this. If Kerry stops hounding the President on things like trying to IMPEACH HIM (or at least insinuating it) over a stupid memo that doesn't tell anyone anything about anything, we'll stop hounding him over the form he promised to sign ages ago.
It would give me great satisfaction if he were convicted of treason.
John "Charley" Kerry will never allow his other than honorable discharge. His liberal actions are probably a result of his self hate and loathing of his lack of abilities.
I hope John O;Neil haunts Kerry till the day he dies.
Kerry has certainly not opened his files and if he doesnt he will probably be re-elected in Mass. .We want Kerry out of the Senate and we need to see his record.
I have tried to keep up on a lot of the posting, especially during the election. I call it like this. Kerry recieved an "Other than Honorable Discharge", Carter had his Amnesty for traitors and Kerry applied for a review of sorts and was granted an Honorable Discharge by the Socialist President Carter.
This allowed Kerry to run for office with help from his good buddy "Fat Rat" Teddy.
Standard Form 180
Kerry told Tim "Potatohead" Russert he would sign it.
Foot tapping waiting impatiently!!! I'm afraid it is going to be a long wait.
it's the arithmetic stooopid... before the election the Navy said there were about 100 pages still not released, so, unless there are about 100 pages MORE than the previous release, he's STILL lying
"He had to admit he was a worse student than Bush". That says a lot more than the Kerry stooge intended. After years of the RATS and their MSM allies bashing Bush as a dunce, the sophisticated kerry turns out to be even dumber. And he knew he was dumber than Bush, and had to be forced to admit it, and we STILL don't know what's in his military records. It's really starting to look like there's a less-than-honorable discharge hidden in the woodpile.
It's so hilarious that Kerry actually thinks he has a chance in 2008.
Kerry has not yet released his complete records. The "grades" were nothing more than a very clever diversion by Kerry. Look at it this way. Kerry knew he would have to reveal his "full" records some day. He realized the Navy had a partial set of his records- including his grades. The National Personnel Record Center has the full, complete set. Kerry authorized the Navy to release his (incomplete) records. Now everyone thinks Kerry didn't want them released because he was embarassed about his grades. Meanwhile, his full set of records- complete with his other than honorable discharge- remain hidden away at the National Personnel Record Center.
I can't wait to see what Hillary will pull out to make him look bad and what he and Kennedy will pull out to make her look bad. Should be quite a show!
It'll be even better if Gore runs again.
Or, even better, let's say they kick Dean out of the DNC spot, so, for revenge, he runs for President again.
Imagine, Kerry, Dean, Gore, Hillary, beating the tar out of each other.
I'd never leave the couch. I'd just switch back and forth between C-Span, CNN, MSNBC, and FOX to make sure I could catch all the entertainment.
No kidding, I'm not not a demanding guy. I just want him convicted and hanged on the White House lawn.
Tsk, tsk. I wouldn't say "nothing" exactly.
I just want to learn the full truth about Mister Kerry's original discharge and/or separation from the Navy.
I have no plans of ever being satisfied with anything less.
I have no plans of ever passing up a chance to post about Kerry's original discharge/separation deception.
Clearly, Mister Kerry is hiding something (separation disclosure anxiety?) I'll be satisfied only when I learn the full truth, and there are lots more veterans just like me who have no plans of giving up on this either.
So...there.
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I'm sure there are a lot of DD 214's that have some discrepancies but nothing like Kerry's. His involvement with the Viet Cong and the Government of North Vietnamese was enough to warrent more than an "Other than Honorable", it could not be a General Discharge either, thet would turn Honorable after 6 mos I believe. It had to be "Other than Honorable".
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