Posted on 06/09/2005 7:29:00 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
They won't have to renege on their deal. Not the letter of it anyway. The deal was for these 3 judges to get an up or down vote, all got up of course. The 7 RINOS are now obligated to not vote for the Constitutional option for the rest of this Congress. Thus no Constitutionalist Supreme Court justices will be confirmed this session, should there be any any openings, and with the Chief Justice in very poor health, and a couple of the others not much better, there very likely will be more than one, but it's almost certain there will be at least one.
Three judges, below the Supreme Court, do not a tilt make. What the DemocRats got was the ability to continue to block any more contrustionalist judges, and most importantly any Supreme Court Justice that can and would actually read and apply the Constitution as written.
I just hope no second amendment case goes to the Supreme Court anytime soon. I had hoped for one to go sometime after Bush appoints a couple of strict contructionalists to the court. But now? Fugitaboutit.
The numbers are still *very* close--we have a one or two vote advantage on most courts--but these few appointments most certainly did make a difference. Why do you think the Left was fighting them so hard?
Not I.
Except in "exceptional circumstances", which means whatever the Dems want it to mean. They 7 dwarfs won't be able to renege on their pledge to not vote for the Constitutional option because the Dems will, with the help of their allies in the MSM, prepare the battlefield for each Supreme Court justice and many lower court judges as well by constant vilification of them as "right wing extremists", "out the mainstream", etc, etc. The only non-extreme cases will be ones that would occur if Bush nominates RINOs or DemocRats to the courts.
By agreeing to put Brown, Owen, and Pryor on the Federal Bench, the Demodogs have conceded that those three are not "extreme" enough to block. But those were their "worst of the worst" when it came to ideology, so that means the ideological bent of a justice is no longer "extraordinary circumstances". Graham, and DeWine have clearly made that statement, and they, plus Collins, will vote Aye to nuke should the Demodogs try to use that claim as "EC". So all their crying ideology is wasted any more, and they might as well read from the phone book.
Meanwhile, the agreement is that cloture will be obtained on all the rest of the nominees except Saad and Myers - one of whom will probably fail an up/down anyway. If the Demodogs fail the cloture at any time, Collins/Graham/DeWine and maybe Snowe join Frist with their Aye.
And again in the meanwhile, several other judges get passed through with Unanimous Consent and voice votes, and business continues to grind away.
You fail to appreciate just how much power the Senate rules give a single Senator, and even more, a small group of them. Nothing is going to take that away - no matter how you wish it would be so.
As far as the Bolton nomination, I'll repeat one more time before running off to sleep:
Graham and Dewine and Collins will pull the trigger on the nuke here - they're committed.
If McStain really believes he has a shot at being President, he'll vote Aye, too... if Frist falls short of the 50 he needs without him. So will Hitlery. No president wants his cabinet being dictated by filibuster, and those two will not allow executive branch nominees to be filibustered.
Watch and see... There is ONLY one way Bolton is not going to be confirmed by mid-July... that would be the Dem's allowing a cloture vote and Bolton then failing to get 50 votes on the up/down vote.
Whoop Tee Doo. The Supreme Court is made up of an overwhelming majority of Republican appointees. I don't see that they have exactly been strictly enforcing the Constitution. (CFR comes immmediately to mind) It's not Republican appointees we need, it's men and women who can read, understand and enforce the Constitution as written.
Three judges is about 1/4 judge (quartering Judges, an Idea Whose Time has Come?) per appeals court. And at that they explicitly got to "veto" 2 judges.
Got the Limbaugh Letter once - $37.00/year for 4 pages a month and in it was nothing new. Seemed a bit of a rip to me. Never renewed. Don't listen to him like I used to. Nothing against Rush, just get out of the habit when a sub is on and I forget to go back.
I think you are right!
He's right of course. He must have checked in here and seen the high fives all around. The next few weeks or months will really tell the tale. Some way, somehow, the heat will hafta be applied to our senate RINO's. Would that Tom Delay was senate majority leader, but Frist seems to be doing about all that can be done with what he's got to work with. Gut check time hasn't hit yet, it's just been delayed.
FGS
I have been a Rush 24/7 member from the get go. I love the mp3 downloads. I can now take them to work on my flash drive and not miss a beat.(Our company cut off our internet access)
Rush is good for the money.
I have been quite consistent. Up and down votes on all. This is supposed to please me? That a filibuster (unconstitutional) is allowed to take place as part of a back room deal? Nor can you state with certainty it ends with those two. Speculation is that others were a part of the deal "unofficially".
But those were their "worst of the worst" when it came to ideology, so that means the ideological bent of a justice is no longer "extraordinary circumstances". Graham, and DeWine have clearly made that statement, and they, plus Collins, will vote Aye to nuke should the Demodogs try to use that claim as "EC".
So I should trust Reid, Boxer, Leahy, Bryd, Chaffee, and Graham. No. Trust is earned. None of these characters have proven particularly trustworthy in past.
BTW, I don't deny the "logic" of the statement. What I deny is that these people have any honor.
You fail to appreciate just how much power the Senate rules give a single Senator, and even more, a small group of them.
On Contrary, I quite appreciate that one Senator had the ability to put a hold on Bolton's confirmation. I know well the power of ONE Senator. I am also aware Senate Rules are not etched in the fabric of time. They can be amended.
I am aware these Senators are in office because of our time, money and investment to secure their elections. I do not accept nothing can be done to change how the Senate operates. I do accept certain Senators do not feel as though they owe the Constitution allegiance, nor the wishes of their constituents attention. I am aware certain Senators feel free to turn on the Party that helped give them one of a select 100 seats.
For that, I have amended where my contributions flow, and will actively seek to cleanse the Senate body of those that do not adhere to the Constitution, wishes of constituency and evidence some form of respect to the party they claim.
Will Bolton receive a vote in near future? Perhaps. Perhaps not. I have not made a prediction either way, nor will I. I do not profess trust in the sanity of enough members of Congress to judge what they will or will not do. Clearly the rational road would be to allow a vote. Yet they didn't take that road before the recess, did they? Proving they do not always react to reason, rather to emotion.
You're wrong!
Limbaugh is a bit too liberal on many issue for my tastes and he is wrong in this particular case.
We should be glad that the Senate is operating as it has historically even if for a few days. It is always better to take on the fight after you have a few spoils in the bank and we have five now.
I don't get the letter - just the computer access. I use it every night, so it's a good deal for me. I've never read the letter, but I figure free republic is enough reading for me.
Ike was a Republican President dealing with a Democrat Senate. He had to find nominees that would be confirmed. The Dems of those days would confirm a Republican, but there would have been a fight over one who was for overturning the new deal. In fairness to Ike, there was no indication in Warren's background to indicate that he would become an absolutely insane vehicle for destroying American culture and law. That can't be said about William Brennan, a terribly stupid pick on Ike's part.
I still don't get it. We have had 6 judges we wanted confirmed, there has been no flibuster so far and if there is we can still go nuclear.
To me it seems like strategery.
Giddy.
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