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No Reason for Giddiness over These Judges (Rush is Right!)
Rush Limbaugh ^ | 06/09/05 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 06/09/2005 7:29:00 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

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To: ozzymandus
I want to see the 'pubs show some guts when the RATS renege on their deal.

They won't have to renege on their deal. Not the letter of it anyway. The deal was for these 3 judges to get an up or down vote, all got up of course. The 7 RINOS are now obligated to not vote for the Constitutional option for the rest of this Congress. Thus no Constitutionalist Supreme Court justices will be confirmed this session, should there be any any openings, and with the Chief Justice in very poor health, and a couple of the others not much better, there very likely will be more than one, but it's almost certain there will be at least one.

21 posted on 06/09/2005 9:26:50 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: cicero's_son
And in so doing, we are tilting the balance of power in the federal judiciary

Three judges, below the Supreme Court, do not a tilt make. What the DemocRats got was the ability to continue to block any more contrustionalist judges, and most importantly any Supreme Court Justice that can and would actually read and apply the Constitution as written.

I just hope no second amendment case goes to the Supreme Court anytime soon. I had hoped for one to go sometime after Bush appoints a couple of strict contructionalists to the court. But now? Fugitaboutit.

22 posted on 06/09/2005 9:34:00 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
Read up on the current "split" in the federal judiciary. With the notable exception of the 9th Circuit, Republican appointees now predominate on federal appellate courts.

The numbers are still *very* close--we have a one or two vote advantage on most courts--but these few appointments most certainly did make a difference. Why do you think the Left was fighting them so hard?

23 posted on 06/09/2005 9:37:28 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Recovering_Democrat
people on our side are buying it

Not I.

24 posted on 06/09/2005 9:38:03 PM PDT by John Filson
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To: AFPhys
but I am celebrating that the Demodogs have agreed not to filibuster judges for the next 1.5yrs --- We'll see.

Except in "exceptional circumstances", which means whatever the Dems want it to mean. They 7 dwarfs won't be able to renege on their pledge to not vote for the Constitutional option because the Dems will, with the help of their allies in the MSM, prepare the battlefield for each Supreme Court justice and many lower court judges as well by constant vilification of them as "right wing extremists", "out the mainstream", etc, etc. The only non-extreme cases will be ones that would occur if Bush nominates RINOs or DemocRats to the courts.

25 posted on 06/09/2005 9:46:46 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Soul Seeker; El Gato

By agreeing to put Brown, Owen, and Pryor on the Federal Bench, the Demodogs have conceded that those three are not "extreme" enough to block. But those were their "worst of the worst" when it came to ideology, so that means the ideological bent of a justice is no longer "extraordinary circumstances". Graham, and DeWine have clearly made that statement, and they, plus Collins, will vote Aye to nuke should the Demodogs try to use that claim as "EC". So all their crying ideology is wasted any more, and they might as well read from the phone book.

Meanwhile, the agreement is that cloture will be obtained on all the rest of the nominees except Saad and Myers - one of whom will probably fail an up/down anyway. If the Demodogs fail the cloture at any time, Collins/Graham/DeWine and maybe Snowe join Frist with their Aye.

And again in the meanwhile, several other judges get passed through with Unanimous Consent and voice votes, and business continues to grind away.

You fail to appreciate just how much power the Senate rules give a single Senator, and even more, a small group of them. Nothing is going to take that away - no matter how you wish it would be so.

As far as the Bolton nomination, I'll repeat one more time before running off to sleep:

Graham and Dewine and Collins will pull the trigger on the nuke here - they're committed.

If McStain really believes he has a shot at being President, he'll vote Aye, too... if Frist falls short of the 50 he needs without him. So will Hitlery. No president wants his cabinet being dictated by filibuster, and those two will not allow executive branch nominees to be filibustered.

Watch and see... There is ONLY one way Bolton is not going to be confirmed by mid-July... that would be the Dem's allowing a cloture vote and Bolton then failing to get 50 votes on the up/down vote.


26 posted on 06/09/2005 9:54:50 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: cicero's_son
With the notable exception of the 9th Circuit, Republican appointees now predominate on federal appellate courts.

Whoop Tee Doo. The Supreme Court is made up of an overwhelming majority of Republican appointees. I don't see that they have exactly been strictly enforcing the Constitution. (CFR comes immmediately to mind) It's not Republican appointees we need, it's men and women who can read, understand and enforce the Constitution as written.

Three judges is about 1/4 judge (quartering Judges, an Idea Whose Time has Come?) per appeals court. And at that they explicitly got to "veto" 2 judges.

27 posted on 06/09/2005 9:57:01 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: I still care
I subscribe to Rush on computer, and it's some of the best money I spend.

Got the Limbaugh Letter once - $37.00/year for 4 pages a month and in it was nothing new. Seemed a bit of a rip to me. Never renewed. Don't listen to him like I used to. Nothing against Rush, just get out of the habit when a sub is on and I forget to go back.

28 posted on 06/09/2005 10:00:47 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: AFPhys

I think you are right!


29 posted on 06/09/2005 10:05:19 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
You're giddy because expectations have been lowered.

He's right of course. He must have checked in here and seen the high fives all around. The next few weeks or months will really tell the tale. Some way, somehow, the heat will hafta be applied to our senate RINO's. Would that Tom Delay was senate majority leader, but Frist seems to be doing about all that can be done with what he's got to work with. Gut check time hasn't hit yet, it's just been delayed.

FGS

30 posted on 06/09/2005 10:05:31 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

I have been a Rush 24/7 member from the get go. I love the mp3 downloads. I can now take them to work on my flash drive and not miss a beat.(Our company cut off our internet access)

Rush is good for the money.


31 posted on 06/09/2005 10:10:59 PM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (If you jog in a jogging suit, lounge in lounging pajamas,WHY would anyone want to wear a windbreaker)
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To: AFPhys
Meanwhile, the agreement is that cloture will be obtained on all the rest of the nominees except Saad and Myers - one of whom will probably fail an up/down anyway.

I have been quite consistent. Up and down votes on all. This is supposed to please me? That a filibuster (unconstitutional) is allowed to take place as part of a back room deal? Nor can you state with certainty it ends with those two. Speculation is that others were a part of the deal "unofficially".

But those were their "worst of the worst" when it came to ideology, so that means the ideological bent of a justice is no longer "extraordinary circumstances". Graham, and DeWine have clearly made that statement, and they, plus Collins, will vote Aye to nuke should the Demodogs try to use that claim as "EC".

So I should trust Reid, Boxer, Leahy, Bryd, Chaffee, and Graham. No. Trust is earned. None of these characters have proven particularly trustworthy in past.

BTW, I don't deny the "logic" of the statement. What I deny is that these people have any honor.

You fail to appreciate just how much power the Senate rules give a single Senator, and even more, a small group of them.

On Contrary, I quite appreciate that one Senator had the ability to put a hold on Bolton's confirmation. I know well the power of ONE Senator. I am also aware Senate Rules are not etched in the fabric of time. They can be amended.

I am aware these Senators are in office because of our time, money and investment to secure their elections. I do not accept nothing can be done to change how the Senate operates. I do accept certain Senators do not feel as though they owe the Constitution allegiance, nor the wishes of their constituents attention. I am aware certain Senators feel free to turn on the Party that helped give them one of a select 100 seats.

For that, I have amended where my contributions flow, and will actively seek to cleanse the Senate body of those that do not adhere to the Constitution, wishes of constituency and evidence some form of respect to the party they claim.

Will Bolton receive a vote in near future? Perhaps. Perhaps not. I have not made a prediction either way, nor will I. I do not profess trust in the sanity of enough members of Congress to judge what they will or will not do. Clearly the rational road would be to allow a vote. Yet they didn't take that road before the recess, did they? Proving they do not always react to reason, rather to emotion.

32 posted on 06/09/2005 10:15:57 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: isthisnickcool

You're wrong!


33 posted on 06/09/2005 10:21:01 PM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: isthisnickcool

Limbaugh is a bit too liberal on many issue for my tastes and he is wrong in this particular case.

We should be glad that the Senate is operating as it has historically even if for a few days. It is always better to take on the fight after you have a few spoils in the bank and we have five now.


34 posted on 06/09/2005 10:27:40 PM PDT by JLS
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

I don't get the letter - just the computer access. I use it every night, so it's a good deal for me. I've never read the letter, but I figure free republic is enough reading for me.


35 posted on 06/09/2005 10:36:57 PM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: itsahoot
I wonder if Ike felt the same way when he got Earl Warren confirmed?

Ike was a Republican President dealing with a Democrat Senate. He had to find nominees that would be confirmed. The Dems of those days would confirm a Republican, but there would have been a fight over one who was for overturning the new deal. In fairness to Ike, there was no indication in Warren's background to indicate that he would become an absolutely insane vehicle for destroying American culture and law. That can't be said about William Brennan, a terribly stupid pick on Ike's part.

36 posted on 06/09/2005 11:01:11 PM PDT by Defiant (Coming to a theater near you: Indiana Frist and the Traitors for a Lost Cause)
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To: ozzymandus

I still don't get it. We have had 6 judges we wanted confirmed, there has been no flibuster so far and if there is we can still go nuclear.

To me it seems like strategery.


37 posted on 06/10/2005 5:41:17 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: AFPhys

Giddy.


38 posted on 06/10/2005 6:55:12 AM PDT by johnny7 (PREDICTION; Bill Clinton will die of 'Arafat's Disease'.)
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To: sport
"The two Judges that the Democrats really wanted to block , were blocked, probably for good."

What two judges would you be referring to?
39 posted on 06/10/2005 6:58:38 AM PDT by Durus
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To: Soul Seeker; Dog Gone
Whether you like it or not, there is NOTHING unConstitutional about Senators making back room deals - vote trading - anything of the sort. They can do all of that they like. A voter may not be happy about this, but the Constitution says nothing about that being proper. It is definitely possible that Saad or Myers will not be confirmed, but at least one of them is likely to have never been confirmed any way. I'm not happy about this, but I'm very happy about JRB, Owen, and Pryor finally having a job they deserve. I would make odds bets that all the others will get their floor votes.

Graham (and DeWine) I DO trust - I've heard his reasoning, and though I disagree, he assures that if Frist is forced to bring up the nuke, it will pass, and he infers that part of the "back room dealing" assured that Collins (and Snowe?) will vote with Frist if the Demodogs break their deal. Chaffee deserves his ACU rating of 41 - 'nuf said. McStain is a dangerous fool. I do trust Reid, Boxer, Leaky, and Byrd. They are Demodogs of highest degree. I HOPE they make some filibuster attempt so Frist can Nuke them - and we can gleefully enjoy the writhing of the lefties as the watch their empire slide away. I don't think they'll try it, though, sadly - not because they have "honor" but because they realize if they do, they will forever lose the opportunity to get away with the obstructionism.

New illustration as to why the Demodogs can not afford to press Frist on this issue any more (pinging you to this, DG): suppose that the Senate lost 3R's in '06 so now we're at a nominal 52-48 split. How much chance do you think a nuke has to succeed then with RINOs Chaffee, McLame, etc. still on the Dogs' side? That would no longer be in Frist's arsenal (like last Senate session) ... so the filibuster would be back to "working" again. On the other hand, if the Fools allow the Nuke to occur this session, they will never again have a chance to "filibuster", their hypothetical '06 gains of three Senate seats will be defanged, and the President's nominee could be opposed by all Demodogs plus two RINOs and still be confirmed! They aren't going to allow this to happen. Everyone in the Senate knows this by now. I can't believe that the analysts like Rush haven't figured this out yet.

Wasting the nuke vote on Bolton would be completely stoooopid, as I have written before - even Hitlery would conspire to be certain Frist has the Ayes he needs for that nuke.

As DG wrote yesterday: "We're winning this battle. We're just not winning it fast enough for the crowd that wants everything wrapped up in 30 minutes including commercials."


As far as "speculation" "unofficially"... who cares what the FRAUDcasters and Old Media say? All I care about is that the votes occur. They will. Watch and see.
40 posted on 06/10/2005 7:22:23 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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