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Playing the Devil's Advocate
Jihad Watch ^ | 10 June 2005 | Stella L. Jatras

Posted on 06/13/2005 5:03:09 AM PDT by Doctor13

A provocative new article by Stella L. Jatras:

The video shown at the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague and rebroadcast on Serbian television and on US national TV of the killing of six Muslim men by a group of mercenary volunteers, known as the Skorpians, has shocked the Serbian people. The story goes that release of the video is due to the conscience of one of the perpetrators and delivered to ICTY courtesy of lawyer Natasha Kandic, founder and director of the "Fund for Humanitarian Law," an organization funded by George Soros.

Correctly, those who participated were immediately arrested and will stand trial, and, if found guilty, will be punished by the Serbian government. In view of this, will the Bosnian government now stand up and admit the atrocities that were committed by Bosnian Muslim forces against Serbian civilians so that they can also receive justice?

To play the Devil's advocate, it is necessary to know what precipitated the events in Srebrenica. Therefore, it is equally important that the video filmed by the dreaded Muslim commander in Srebrenica, Nasir Oric, who had mounted commando raids against surrounding Serbian villages whose remaining population were mainly elderly Serbs, many in their 80s, who refused to leave their homes also be shown at The Hague and on national TV. Bill Schiller in the Toronto Star of 16 July 1995, wrote of Oric: "On a cold and snowy night, I sat in his living room watching a shocking video version of what might have been called Nasir Oric's Greatest Hits. There were burning houses, dead bodies, severed heads, and people fleeing. Oric grinned throughout admiring his handiwork. 'We ambushed them,' he said when a number of dead Serbs appeared on the screen. The next sequence of dead bodies had been done in by explosives: 'We launched those guys to the moon,' he boasted. When a footage of a bullet-marked ghost town appeared without any visible bodies, Oric hastened to announce: 'We killed 114 Serbs there.' Later there were celebrations, with singers with wobbly voices chanting his praises."

Why did Srebrenica happen, and what really did happen there? Balkan analyst Carl Savich gave his analysis of General Philippe Morillon's testimony at the ICTY regarding Srebrenica and Naser Oric stating: "The major conclusion from Morillon's testimony was this: The fall of Srebrenica in 1995 was the 'direct reaction' to the massacres of Bosnian Serbs by Naser Oric's forces in 1992-1993. Morillon acknowledged that Oric's troops had committed war crimes in eastern Bosnia. Morillon personally witnessed the exhumation of the bodies of Bosnian Serb civilians and soldiers who had been tortured, mutilated, and executed. He saw with his own eyes the Serbian villages that had been burned to the ground in the Srebrenica pocket. More than anyone else, Morillon understood the level of devastation in eastern Bosnia and the extent and nature of the massacres of Bosnian Serbs."

Who can forget the image of Madeleine Albright frantically waving a CIA satellite photo of the soccer field showing "proof positive" where 7,000 men and boys alleged to have been killed by Serbs in Srebrenica were said to be buried? Twenty-two renowned journalists investigated the site and came away empty handed. Furthermore, in his analysis of 18 September 2003 titled, "Srebrenica Casualty Numbers Challenged by Experts as Politicized and Ethnically Divisive," Gregory R. Copley, Director of Strategic Studies, wrote: "On the eve of the dedication of a monument to Muslims killed at Srebrenica, in Bosnia-Herzegovina, in 1995, a group which includes a former UN official, intelligence experts, and journalists, released a statement challenging the alleged casualty number of 7,000 victims as 'vastly inflated and unsupported by evidence'."

In another analysis titled, "US Official implicated with Bosnian Representative Ashdown in Attempt to Force Fabricated Report on Srebrenica," Gregory R. Copley, with input from sources in Sarajevo and elsewhere, wrote, "Very reliable sources within the Office of the High Representative in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and other sources in Sarajevo have told GIS/Defense & Foreign Affairs Daily that a second US official, Amb. Donald S. Hays, the Deputy High Representative for Bosnia and Herzegovina, has been actively engaged in attempts to force a fabricated report to be published on the controversial wartime fighting at the city of Srebrenica."

A representative in the Bosnian and Federal Parliaments, Ibran Mustafic, gave an explosive interview on Aug. 15, 1996, to Slobodna Bosnia ("Free Bosnia," A Sarajevo newspaper). Mustafic was quoted as saying that the betrayal of Srebrenica "was consciously prepared and that the Bosnian president and the army command were involved in this business," and that was to sacrifice Srebrenica in order to gain sympathy of the West. Of his internment in a Serbian jail, he writes, "I should have died. They [the Bosnian Muslim authorities] don't appreciate living people. They appreciate the dead because they cannot talk."

Yasushi Akashi, former UN Representative in Bosnia, admitted in The Washington Times of 1 November 1995, that, "it is a fact that the Bosnian government forces have used the 'safe areas' of not only Srebrenica, but Sarajevo, Tuzla, Bihac, Gorazde for training, recuperation and refurbishing their troops." In other words, the so-called "safe areas" were used as military posts to train mujahedin fighters from Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Turkey and the entire Islamic world, free to commit their treachery by attacking Serbian villages and returning back to the safety of their UN protectors who conveniently looked the other way. Prior to the events at Srebrenica, these "Holy Warriors of Islam" had attacked 42 surrounding Serbian villages and over 3,000 Serbian villagers had been slaughtered, but when Serbs were provoked to retaliate against these Muslim assaults from these so-called "safe areas," they were condemned by the entire world.

President Bush said after 9/11 that we will do whatever it takes to defend ourselves against the [Muslim] terrorists, yet we denied the Serbs the right to defend themselves against the same enemy that we are fighting today.

If the American people are to be given the full extent of atrocities committed by both sides, shouldn't the photos be shown of mujahedin from Saudi Arabia holding the severed heads of Serb soldiers in Bosnia and the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), holding the severed heads of Serb soldiers in Kosovo? Or the photo of Serbs being roasted live by Islam's holy warriors? Shouldn't the photo of the Serbian family that was slain by Bosnian Muslim forces, the father, whose genitals were stuffed in his mouth and an Islamic crescent and star etched on his forehead, also be shown on national TV? Or the photo of Serbian babies with a bullet hole between their eyes who had been killed by a Bosnian Muslim sniper? Shouldn't the video of atrocities committed by Nasir Oric as previously described be shown to the world, or is the "shock" syndrome reserved only for Serbs?

In civil wars, all sides do terrible things and it is tragic that this should happen to young boys, but are we not seeing reports of Muslim boys even younger being trained in Pakistan as suicide bombers?

America has not heard the last of atrocities alleged to have been committed by Serb soldiers. More stories, either fabricated or exaggeration will continue to emerge from out of the blue, but atrocities committed by Bosnian Muslims and by the Kosovo Liberation Army will continue to be swept under the carpet. That's the way the game is being played in the Balkans. All Christian Serbs wear black hats. All Bosnian and Kosovo Muslims wear white hats. Checkmate.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; islamofascist; islamonazi; kla; kosovo
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1 posted on 06/13/2005 5:03:09 AM PDT by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13; FormerLib

Stella tells it like it is!


2 posted on 06/13/2005 5:15:02 AM PDT by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: Doctor13
This commentary is not meant to absolve atrocities committed by Serbian mercenaries, but it is to show how unfair the media has been in being anti-Serb by not showing the atrocities and slaughter committed against Serbian civilians by Bosnian Muslinm forces.

If the pro-Muslim Bosnian and pro-Kosovo Albanian media and politicians had been impartial and if the truth had been told to the American people from the beginning, this whole bloody mess undoubtedly could have been averted, a war that need not have happened because they would have seen that this was a civil war, all sides were committing atrocities, and as former UNPROFOR Canadian Commander Maj. General Lewis MacKenzie told Congress at a hearing, "I wouldn't touch this with a ten-foot pole," (to paraphrase).

3 posted on 06/13/2005 5:19:47 AM PDT by Doctor13
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To: Jane_N
The 1992, The Lisbon Agreement was the best and fairest solution that would have averted the Balkan tragedy. It was an agreement whereby all three sides had agreed to partition Bosnia-Hertzegovina peacefully. But what did our meddling State Department do? The U.S. Ambassador, Warren Zimmermann, went to Bosnia's Muslim representative, Alija Izetbegovic, and said that if he didn't like the agreement, why sign it?

This was an open invitation to the Bosnian Muslims that Uncle Sucker would intervene on their behalf, and indeed, that is exactly what happened. Along with a willing media, the Serbs were successfully demonized. Demonized by Muslim generated, self-inflicted atrocities, such as the Markale marketplace massacre which a UN report confirmed that Bosnian Muslim forces committed.

In other words, because of Warren Zimmerman's ill advice and Clinton's intervention, thousands of innocent people have died and hundreds of thousands have suffered and continue to suffer and remember, the media have called Bosnia a success.

4 posted on 06/13/2005 5:42:14 AM PDT by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13
If the American people are to be given the full extent of atrocities committed by both sides, shouldn't the photos be shown of mujahedin from Saudi Arabia holding the severed heads of Serb soldiers in Bosnia and the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), holding the severed heads of Serb soldiers in Kosovo? Or the photo of Serbs being roasted live by Islam's holy warriors? Shouldn't the photo of the Serbian family that was slain by Bosnian Muslim forces, the father, whose genitals were stuffed in his mouth and an Islamic crescent and star etched on his forehead, also be shown on national TV? Or the photo of Serbian babies with a bullet hole between their eyes who had been killed by a Bosnian Muslim sniper? Shouldn't the video of atrocities committed by Nasir Oric as previously described be shown to the world, or is the "shock" syndrome reserved only for Serbs?

But..but…that wouldn’t be PC. That wouldn’t show how “caring” and “accepting” we are. It would not be good for “ethnic diversity” < /extreme sarcasm>
5 posted on 06/13/2005 5:48:06 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Doctor13; Lion in Winter; Destro; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; vooch; ...

Great post. Thanks!


6 posted on 06/13/2005 5:55:42 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Doctor13

clinton Legacy Bump!


7 posted on 06/13/2005 6:07:37 AM PDT by F-117A
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To: FormerLib

I remember these photos. So ugly that just linking to them will get your reply pulled.


8 posted on 06/13/2005 6:59:26 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Doctor13
The name of the historian in paragraph four should read Carl Savich. The correction has been made. My apologies to Mr. Savich. Stella

A correction was sent by Stella.

9 posted on 06/13/2005 10:16:48 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (If you right click on Madeline Albright's image, my name should show up!)
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To: Doctor13
You got to love Stella....

Great article...!!!

10 posted on 06/13/2005 10:44:59 AM PDT by dj_animal_2000
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To: Doctor13

When did it start that you had to be the "Devil's advocate" to defend christians from tyranny and suffering?


11 posted on 06/13/2005 10:54:23 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Doctor13; Paul C. Jesup
we denied the Serbs the right to defend themselves against the same enemy that we are fighting today.

Uh, sorry, Stella. The Serbs fought the Croats, Bosniaks, Slovenes, and Kosovars; the USA is not fighting any of them. And some of the Serb's enemies are right now serving side by side with the USA fighting the real jihadists in Afghanistan and Iraq. Further, when considering the revisionist tale that the Serbs were defending Christianity against Islam, it is instructive to note that Serb leader Milosevic is charged with more counts of war crimes against the Croatian Christians than he is against any other group and that the Serbs destroyed hundreds of Christian churches and monasteries as part of their ethnic cleansing campaign against the Croats.

12 posted on 06/13/2005 4:47:41 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

Around 1999, the KLA was proven to be fiancially linked to Osama Bin Ladin's terrorist group through illegal drug trafficing. When the Clintons and the leftist press sided with the KLA, they sided with muslim terrorists, helping to enbolded those terrorists to commit greater terrorist acts like bringing down the World Trade Center.


13 posted on 06/13/2005 5:01:48 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup; mark502inf
Albanians and "Kosovans" or "Kosovars" are committing violent crimes all over Europe. In Spain they are preying on Brits who've settled in the Spanish Costas: 'TERROR RAIDERS' HELD (Albanians and Kosovans in Spain)
14 posted on 06/13/2005 5:15:19 PM PDT by joan
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To: mark502inf
Croatia and the Croats were a conduit for Muslim fighters and arms smuggling for the Bosnian war - some of it disguised as "charity" or "humanitarian aid". It came back to haunt Bosnian Croats mid-war when the Croats and Muslims, including the Mujahadeen, fought an intense war in Central and Southern Bosnia.

The Croats trained and had Bosnian Muslims in their war with the Croatian Serbs in 1991. Catholic Croats also used Muslims during WWII as the Muslims joined the Ustasha and they fought together and killed Serbs. The Balkan Catholics will aid the Muslims against the Orthodox, as they've always hated the Orthodox and see them as rivals.

15 posted on 06/13/2005 5:22:46 PM PDT by joan
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To: Paul C. Jesup
the KLA was proven to be fiancially linked to Osama Bin Ladin's terrorist group through illegal drug trafficing.

It'd be nice if you could provide evidence of this.

When the Clintons and the leftist press sided with the KLA, they sided with muslim terrorists, helping to enbolded those terrorists to commit greater terrorist acts like bringing down the World Trade Center.

Utterly ridiculous. First, no Albanains are in any way connected with 9-11. Second, the KLA is not an Islamist organization. Third, the Serb-Albanian conflict was going on long before bin Laden & Al Qaeda came on the scene. Bin Laden would have attacked the WTC if Kosovo & the KLA never existed. And the Kosovar Albanians would have been in revolt against Belgrade if Al Qaeda & bin Laden never existed.

16 posted on 06/13/2005 5:26:10 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
Utterly ridiculous. First, no Albanains are in any way connected with 9-11. Second, the KLA is not an Islamist organization. Third, the Serb-Albanian conflict was going on long before bin Laden & Al Qaeda came on the scene. Bin Laden would have attacked the WTC if Kosovo & the KLA never existed. And the Kosovar Albanians would have been in revolt against Belgrade if Al Qaeda & bin Laden never existed.

What planet are you from... The Albanains are muslims, the Serbians are christians.

17 posted on 06/13/2005 5:32:25 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Since when do Christians go around blowing up other Christian's churches?

You might want to learn something about Slobo's wars, Paul.

18 posted on 06/13/2005 6:27:14 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Paul, you said the KLA was "proven" to be linked to Osama Bin Ladin's terrorist group through illegal drug trafficing. I challenged you to prove that and you couldn't.

You then tried to link the KLA to 9-11; which is ridiculous both on the face of it and for the reasons I pointed out. As for the Kosovar Albs as Muslims, below is a photo of President Rugova of Kosovo walking into church. He is Catholic. Bishop Marko Sopi accompanying him is the Albanian Bishop of the Catholic diocese in Kosovo.

While most Kosovar Albanians are ostensibly Muslim, the facts of a highly secular government & lifestyle along with the reality of a popularly elected Christian President are extremely inconvenient for those who try to paint them as Islamist extremists.

19 posted on 06/13/2005 6:47:33 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Doctor13; Jane_N; mark502inf
The "Scorpions", like their fellow mercenary criminals "Spiders", apparently worked for money, not for ideology or personal revenge. So a critical question is who had an interest to pay them to kill civilians. A related question is why they filmed their crime. Some mass murderers, such as Naser Oric, filmed mainly to brag. Others, such as islamists in Bosnia, Chechnya and Iraq, are filming mainly to recruit more jihadists. Neither motive apparently applies to the Scorpions, who did not advertise their tape. They most likely filmed in order to show to their paymasters that they did the job they were paid for.

Mladic or Milosevic had nothing to gain and everything to lose by encouraging, let alone ordering, such crimes and their filming. On the contrary, the Izetbegovic regime and their assorted allies (Clinton, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Bin Laden etc) had a lot to gain and have indeed used the Srebrenica massacres to the maximum propaganda effect. This is where the mercenary killers' paymasters should be sought. Hopefully the arrested Scorpions themselves will provide some verifiable evidence.

20 posted on 06/13/2005 9:04:21 PM PDT by pythagorean
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