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Friends say man killed in courthouse shooting frustrated by child support system
signonsandiego.com ^ | 06/21/05 | Curt Woodward

Posted on 06/21/2005 9:19:50 PM PDT by Fido969

By Curt Woodward ASSOCIATED PRESS

8:22 p.m. June 21, 2005

SEATTLE – A man killed by police after he brandished a grenade in the federal courthouse here had grown increasingly upset and unstable recently as years of frustration with the child custody system mounted, friends said Tuesday. Perry L. Manley, 52, was shot to death by police Monday in the courthouse's public lobby. Authorities said Manley had tried to bypass courthouse security while clutching a hand grenade, later found to be inactive.

Police and federal agents evacuated the downtown building and cordoned off the surrounding streets during the standoff with Manley, which lasted for about a half-hour.

He was shot after making a "furtive move" with the grenade, U.S. Marshal Eric Robertson said. Authorities said Manley was dressed in camouflage, and carried court papers and a living will.

Manley was a critic of the child support system and the courts' handling of parental custody issues, and had filed several lawsuits disputing his support obligations. Court documents said Manley was the divorced father of three children, ages 26, 23 and 22.

He was well-known around the courthouse and led a small protest outside the building last month, when he attempted to burn an American flag. But there were no indications his frustrations would become violent, Robertson said.

Manley was ordered in July 2002 to appear in King County Superior Court for failing to pay more than $8,200 in child support. It was unclear from the court filings if Manley paid that bill.

Kevin Turner of Bellevue met Manley a few years ago through a child support reform group and said Manley had become increasingly withdrawn in recent months.

"It got to the point where I didn't know how to talk to him," Turner said. "A year ago, you could talk to him. But the last few months, he wasn't really as 'together' as you would hope."

Manley had been homeless for a time, but had begun to turn his life around in the past few years, getting a job at a restaurant, Turner said. But even those improvements did not cure his ill feelings toward the custody and child support systems.

After repeated failed attempts to bring a federal lawsuit claiming former employers did not have a right to garnish his wages, Manley filed a rambling document in late May that quoted from the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.

Susan Calhoun, Manley's former wife, told KING-TV he became embittered and quit a high-paying job after their divorce in 1990 when a judge ordered him to make support payments for their three children. She did not return a call for comment Tuesday.

Joe McGill of Battle Ground, who knew Manley through a child custody group called The Other Parent, agreed that Manley's statements had become "pretty bizarre." But McGill said he didn't think Manley intended to be killed by police Monday.

"I think it might have been his last step to be heard," McGill said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: childsupport; courthouse; grenade; involuntaryservitude; manley; seattle
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This happens SO OFTEN now that even the dullest person will have to start getting some awareness that there is a huge problem with the court child support system.
1 posted on 06/21/2005 9:19:51 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969

If he'd kept it in his pants, he might still be wearing them.


2 posted on 06/21/2005 9:25:34 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored


I think he made his point. The "ultimate sacrifice" as it were.

I take it that you never took it out of your pants, then?


3 posted on 06/21/2005 9:27:31 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969
The media + lawyers + activist judges is the defacto government of the United States nowadays. This guy found out a little too late.
4 posted on 06/21/2005 9:27:50 PM PDT by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: Fido969
...the divorced father of three children, ages 26, 23 and 22

So why was he still paying child support? His problem wasn't the family courts, but having the world's worst lawyer.

5 posted on 06/21/2005 9:30:53 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Fido969
I take it that you never took it out of your pants, then?

Incorrectomundo.

6 posted on 06/21/2005 9:30:59 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Fido969
Being right smack in the middle of the ugliness that are family courts in Texas, I'm suprised folks don't go postal more often than is the case.

Personally, I think there are better ways. Right now I'm working towards making "support" payments taxable income for the payee and tax-deductable for the payer (or, even better, come out of pre-tax dollars).

7 posted on 06/21/2005 9:31:04 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats and muslims are varelse...)
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To: Fido969

My experience & observation is that the whole thing is anti-father BIG TIME.


8 posted on 06/21/2005 9:31:46 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: snarks_when_bored
Incorrectomundo.

Fonzie, is that you?

9 posted on 06/21/2005 9:33:33 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Peas through superior fertilizer!)
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In some countries they used to be - until the government figured out that they were losing tax revenue because the payer is usually in a higher tax bracket. So they stopped making them deductible.

Anyway, so much for the "for the children" thing.


10 posted on 06/21/2005 9:35:56 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969
I think he made his point

I hope you're right but "his suicide by cop" was in vain. Washington State won'r be changing it's suppoet enforcement regs any time soon.

11 posted on 06/21/2005 9:36:39 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Peas through superior fertilizer!)
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To: shotokan

suppoet = support. rats!


12 posted on 06/21/2005 9:37:35 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Peas through superior fertilizer!)
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To: Fido969

You're acting as though you think this guy should be recognized as a hero instead of a suicidal nutbar.


13 posted on 06/21/2005 9:39:05 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: shotokan
Incorrectomundo.

Fonzie, is that you?

Fonzie? It's Mr. Fonzarelli to you, karate boy.

14 posted on 06/21/2005 9:39:17 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Fido969

Inert Grenade bought at any surplus store

Suicide by Cop


15 posted on 06/21/2005 9:41:17 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Taglines often reveal a lot about the inner person...)
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To: Fido969

That is one way to cure frustration.


16 posted on 06/21/2005 9:41:59 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
My experience & observation is that the whole thing is anti-father BIG TIME.

You're right. In California, a man who is named as "father" on a birth certificate has to pay child support whether he's the father of the child or not. A Los Angeles D.A. actually bragged and smiled about this in a news conference a few years back. He was defeated in the next election.

17 posted on 06/21/2005 9:42:09 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Fido969
As unfair and as biased as the courts may be with regard to this issue (yes, I know of this firsthand) let's not forget that he brought a HAND GRENADE into a courthouse. Letting an "unfair" court judgment of $8,200 lead you into an obsession like this is more indicative of a mental disease than frustration.
18 posted on 06/21/2005 9:43:52 PM PDT by spinestein (See Dick talk. See Dick rant. See Dick compare the U.S. to Hitler and Stalin. Don't be a DICK!)
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To: janetgreen
Gil Garcetti. He is generally considered to be a "radical feminist". He started the whole paternity fraud controversy - he refused to allow fathers to be relieved of support obligations when they proved they were not the father. Led to a big California court case.

Garcetti lost his last reelection bid in a landslide. I think he was then appointed to the LA county ethics board. The guy is truly a creep.
19 posted on 06/21/2005 9:50:19 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Texas_Jarhead
I beg to differ. I have friends and family, and acquaintances who have been abandoned by their children's father and were forced to become the sole provider of the family. A tremendous burden on the family.

I would agree that the system is flawed, but history has revealed that more often than not, a parent can't rely on the hope that their former spouse will responsibly provide child support for their child(ren).

"But McGill said he didn't think Manley intended to be killed by police on Monday."

Manley was wearing cammies, carried a grenade that was inactive, court papers, a living will, and made a "furtive move" towards police, and he had no desire to be killed? Mr. McGill is in denial, or has failed to grasp the seriousness of the events that unfolded shortly before Manley was killed.

According to what has been reported, it would appear that Manley may have had some psychological problems. Did he leave his high paying job just so his wife and children couldn't get his money?! Did he object to the amount? It costs a lot of money to raise three children.

Regardless, a very sad and unnecessary end to Mr. Manley's life.
20 posted on 06/21/2005 9:52:09 PM PDT by This Just In ("Those are my principles, if you don't like them, I've got others" - Groucho Marx)
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