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On Target: NASA Rocket Slams Into Comet
Ap ^ | 07/04/05 | ALICIA CHANG

Posted on 07/04/2005 8:49:59 AM PDT by KevinDavis

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To: KevinDavis

Does anyone else besides me think that this may have been a "test run" to see if we could either "change the path or destroy" a comet that may be on-track to hit us some day? Maybe I need to remove my tin-foil hat but it HAS been suggested as a possible way of preventing a disastrous collision. (And not just in movies.)


21 posted on 07/04/2005 10:53:21 AM PDT by China Clipper
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To: KevinDavis; Peach; Mo1
The European agency was observing and photographing the comet collision with its Rosetta spacecraft, which will attempt to rendezvous with a comet in 2014. "I had some doubts, quite frankly, but it was quite spectacular and a deserved success," said Manfred Warhaut, who heads ESA's Rosetta mission. "The whole thing was so flawlessly put in place and executed it deserves some respect."

Well gee, thanks for the crumb from your Euro-snob table Manfred. This is what can be accomplished outside of a socialist system, and it's just killin' you, isn't it. Good luck with your project 9 years from now, and in the meantime stand back and watch American ingenuity at work.

22 posted on 07/04/2005 10:59:56 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (THANK YOU to all our servicemen and women and veterans. We appreciate your service.)
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To: KevinDavis
What they're not telling us is.....

23 posted on 07/04/2005 11:01:49 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: KevinDavis; NicknamedBob

I was a little worried about this; when NASA design a probe to land safely on Mars, it crash lands - so I was afraid that if they designed a probe to crash land on a comet, it would land safely!


24 posted on 07/04/2005 4:00:42 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (Make poverty history = Make liberty history)
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To: KevinDavis

I just wonder if someone in China or North Korea is sitting there going ---Oh Sh*t!!!


25 posted on 07/04/2005 4:11:12 PM PDT by crude77
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To: Kuehn12
"I want to know what is next, and will we finally bold go where no one has gone before,Yes! or continue to putter around in orbit with that white elephant the International Space Station,No!. We need to decide if space is truly a limit on human endeavor,No! or something we can conquer,Yes!. Is space travel just to expensive,No! and beyond our scientific capability,No! or can the faith of a muster seed take us to the stars?,Yes!"

Two major obstacles stand in our way: The Space Treaty, which prevents private enterprise from going there, (It needs to be repealed!), and a willingness to use Nuclear Engines for propulsion.

Chemical rockets are only good for firecrackers. If we are to go to the Moon, Mars, Titan, and beyond, we will need Nuclear Engines. (And a Profitable reason to go!)

26 posted on 07/04/2005 4:33:15 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: All

Damn Americans slamming into things again ..Wonder if the comet needs a lawyer from the ACLU..First a Koran , now a Comet..It's all Bush's fault and Haliburton's too


27 posted on 07/04/2005 4:38:07 PM PDT by hineybona
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To: ml/nj
"I guess I want to question the ice idea. This thing appears to be full of perfectly round craters."

This object is actually big enough to have its own micro-gravity.

Ice that is moved around will, over time, do what water and glaciers do. It will flow, and fill up small holes.

Don't forget that it is a comet, and occasionally approaches the sun, a significant source of warmth.

28 posted on 07/04/2005 4:38:54 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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29 posted on 07/04/2005 4:40:21 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: China Clipper; RightWhale
"Does anyone else besides me think that this may have been a "test run" to see if we could either "change the path or destroy" a comet that may be on-track to hit us some day? "

Actually, it shows how pitiful our resources are.

What we would need to do is land a small nuclear rocket motor on a distant asteroid or comet, and use its own ices as rocket propellant by heating them, and then use some advanced astrogation to pulse at the appropriate times to steer the rock away from collision.

An alternative is a large solar sail, which would work even more gradually. I disagree with the idea of "blowin' it to smithereens" because that just makes more problems, (like the thousands of chunks of space debris already in Earth orbit), and it makes fewer resources.

It is much more practical to try to capture the asteroid into a safe orbit, so that its materials can be used for space exploration.

Who knows? Someday we may "hitch our wagon to a star," or at least a comet, and take off for interstellar space.
30 posted on 07/04/2005 4:49:23 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob
It is much more practical to try to capture the asteroid into a safe orbit, so that its materials can be used for space exploration.

Of course that is what we will do. Not even Congress would waste such resources that would make a manned lunar base possible and even self-sufficient. Would they?

31 posted on 07/04/2005 5:09:38 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: RightWhale
"Would they?"

In a heartbeat. But H. H. Harriman wouldn't.

32 posted on 07/04/2005 5:16:09 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

That's right, Harriman wouldn't waste that kind of opportunity. The problem is that even magnates have a narrowness of vision sometimes. Vertical expansion hasn't been thought of literally so far. It's time, though.


33 posted on 07/04/2005 5:21:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: RightWhale

Hmm. Maybe that was supposed to be D. D. Harriman.

Robert Heinlein's billionaire character who was "The Man Who Sold The Moon."


34 posted on 07/04/2005 5:23:35 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob
LOL

Still, that's the idea.

35 posted on 07/04/2005 5:25:13 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: Kuehn12
Comets are thought to perhaps contain early elements of our universe. By blasting a debris shower with Deep Impact they can analyze the makeup of the comet with spectroanalysis and determine (at least on the outer layer) the elements and compounds making up the comet. Pure science. ;-)

36 posted on 07/04/2005 5:53:06 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (In honor of our bravest in armed service to our nation.)
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To: Tunehead54
The advancement of science is admirable goal, but at what cost? I guess, I am looking for benefits that are tangible. I remember the visions of the future we grew up with; interplanetary travel, living in space, and colonization of the moon and mars. It has been 45 years since the advent of the Space age and none of our dreams have come true.

Christian Science Monitor says:
"Ever since Sputnik, humans have lobbed more than 20,000 metric tons of hardware into orbit. In addition, Dr. Ailor notes that the number of operating satellites is expected to growth from 700 today to as many as 3,000 in 2020."

The space program needs direction and not merely a shuttle system for more space junk. We certainly can't expect the rest of the world to show vision. China wants to military power in space, Russia wants to commerical power for space, and Europeans don't seem to have any vision for space, and Indians seem to be just preparing for the next conflict with its neighbors China or Pakistan.
37 posted on 07/04/2005 6:29:06 PM PDT by Kuehn12 (Kuehn12)
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To: Kuehn12

This has solved one of mankind's potential problems with a Bruce Willis type scenario where an asteroid is detected on a collision path with earth. Substitute a nuclear warhead/s for the impacter.

We still need to get off planet Earth to ensure the future of mankind in the event of a widescale planetary catastrophe such as the eruption of Yellowstone.


38 posted on 07/04/2005 6:29:57 PM PDT by meatloaf
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Yes congratulations to NASA. I can envision a day when U.S. colonists on the Moon or Mars draft a document similar to this.

The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription


IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

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Column 1
Georgia:
   Button Gwinnett
   Lyman Hall
   George Walton

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North Carolina:
   William Hooper
   Joseph Hewes
   John Penn
South Carolina:
   Edward Rutledge
   Thomas Heyward, Jr.
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   Arthur Middleton

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Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton

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Pennsylvania:
   Robert Morris
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   John Morton
   George Clymer
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Delaware:
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   William Floyd
   Philip Livingston
   Francis Lewis
   Lewis Morris
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   Richard Stockton
   John Witherspoon
   Francis Hopkinson
   John Hart
   Abraham Clark

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   Josiah Bartlett
   William Whipple
Massachusetts:
   Samuel Adams
   John Adams
   Robert Treat Paine
   Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
   Stephen Hopkins
   William Ellery
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   Roger Sherman
   Samuel Huntington
   William Williams
   Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire:
   Matthew Thornton


39 posted on 07/04/2005 6:36:00 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: NicknamedBob
Don't forget that it is a comet, and occasionally approaches the sun, a significant source of warmth.

I don't think I'm the one who is forgetting anything.

No one has explained how you can get round craters in a field of ice. Melting/evaporation makes craters even more unlikely.

ML/NJ

40 posted on 07/04/2005 7:05:57 PM PDT by ml/nj
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