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Remains Said to Belong to Dylan Groene
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162079,00.html ^

Posted on 07/10/2005 7:56:21 PM PDT by CollegeRepublicanNU

Coeur d'Alene, Idaho — The human remains found in Montana last week belong to kidnapped Idaho boy Dylan Groene (search), DNA testing has shown, according to Capt. Ben Wolfinger of the Kootenai County Sheriff's Office. Wolfinger said in an e-mail that the FBI lab in Quantico, Va., had positively identified the remains. "Out of respect for the Groene family and to maintain the integrity of the investigation and prosecution of this matter, there will be no further comment regarding these results," Wolfinger wrote in the e-mail, adding that investigators continue to follow-up on other leads. Convicted sex offender Joseph Edward Duncan III (search) is charged with abducting 9-year-old Dylan and his sister, 8-year-old Shasta Groene (search), from their home, where their 13-year-old brother, mother and her boyfriend were bludgeoned to death. The bodies were found May 16. Police say Duncan is also a suspect in the killings. Dylan had been believed dead. Remains found at a remote western Montana campsite were being analyzed for positive identification. Authorities had been looking for Duncan since he jumped bail in Minnesota on charges of molesting a 6-year-old boy on a Detroit Lakes playground in July 2004. On Friday, it was learned that Duncan wrote last year about a missing Minnesota girl on his Weblog, and investigators are looking into whether he might have had anything to do with her disappearance. In his Internet diary, Duncan wrote in early 2004 that he was afraid he'd be blamed for the disappearance of 5-year-old Leanna "Beaner" Warner (search). In a posting dated Jan. 4, 2004 — more than six months after Leanna's disappearance — Duncan wrote that he just found out about the case.

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This is very tragic.
1 posted on 07/10/2005 7:56:23 PM PDT by CollegeRepublicanNU
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I hope Duncan gets the death penalty. This is sick.


2 posted on 07/10/2005 7:58:34 PM PDT by CollegeRepublicanNU (Here comes the story of the Hurricane..........)
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3 posted on 07/10/2005 8:02:54 PM PDT by CollegeRepublicanNU (Here comes the story of the Hurricane..........)
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A monster makes videos....

Click here to watch Reality

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It's now thought that this guy may be involved in several missing children cases. This thing traveled all over the US. Time Line February 25, 2005: Born Fort Bragg, NC to Joseph E. Duncan Jr. and Lillian Mae Duncan

1975: Duncan told therapists that he sexually assaulted a 5-year-old boy when he was 12 years old...it would have been 1975.

1978: When Duncan was 15, he did the same thing to a 9-year-old boy at gunpoint...it would have been 1978.

1979: Arrested by police after a high-speed chase in a stolen car at 15. During the car chase he tried to run a police roadblock. The crash shattered his sinuses and the right side of his face.He was sent to Dyslin's Boys Ranch for several months.

1979: When he was 16, Duncan told his therapists, he tied up six younger boys and sexually assaulted them...it would have been 1979. Duncan, who dropped out of Lakes High School in Lakewood, Pierce County, in 10th grade, estimated that he'd committed about 13 rapes on younger boys by the time he was 16.

January 24, 1980: City of Tacoma, Washington, Joseph E. Duncan, age 16 (almost 17), was arrested and was sentenced to 20 years in prison. (Duncan was charged with first-degree rape, first-degree burglary and third-degree statutory rape for the assault on the 14-year-old boy. Police and prosecutors said Duncan broke into a neighbor's house in January 1980 and stole a gun. He pulled the gun on a boy who was walking to school and forced him into a wooded area, papers say. Duncan made the boy undress and perform a sex act, court documents say. Duncan then walked the boy farther into the woods, sexually assaulted him a second time, and then beat the boy's buttocks with a stick and burned him with a cigarette.

He led the boy back to his clothes and told him to run away. That night, court records show, Duncan was arrested.)

March of 1982: (19 years old) His therapists concluded that, after 22 months in the Sex Offender Program, Duncan was no longer trying. "He has chosen not to commit himself to our program techniques," therapists wrote. The report details two times that Duncan sneaked out of a special facility for extended visits with family, while his parents were sleeping, and prowled the neighborhood. His treatment providers saw the incidents as proof that Duncan was choosing not to control himself. Duncan was then sent to the state Department of Corrections to serve out his prison term.

September 1994: (31 years old) Duncan was released on parole after serving 14 years in prison. Washington State.

Sometime in 1997: (34 years old) San Francisco, California - Fugitive in hiding. Meets Dr. Wacksman.

April 1997: Duncan was returned to prison for violating his parole. (On parole twice this close together? One of my sources must be mistaken)

August 1997: Arrested by FBI in Kansas City, Missouri for failing to register as a sex offender . (While On Parole).

July 14, 2000: (37 years old) Duncan was released from prison after completing his sentence. Duncan was released without parole or probation. Washington State.

July 21, 2000: Duncan arrived in Fargo.

July 24, 2000: Duncan registered at the Fargo Police Department as a sex offender. The Fargo Police Department evaluated Duncan. Based on the history, profile, and the Minnesota Sex Offender Screening Tool-Revised score, Duncan was classified as a Level III sex offender.

September 27, 2000: The Fargo Police Department conducted a community notification.

November 2002: (39 years old) Jet Gazette that places him in Kansas City for Thanksgiving (Video).

June 7, 2003: (40 years old) Scuba Driving Trip - Crosby, Minnesota. (154.4 miles, 3 hours 59 min, 16 turns from Fargo, ND)

June 14, 2003: Leanna 'Beaner' Warner Missing .

October 3, 2003: 11:15pm Duncan gets a visit from three officers, two men, one woman. Regarding him harrassing women in town. (see blog 1/11/04 @ 9:00pm) (See link, there are two reports totally empty around this time...peculiar)

December 10-13, 2003: One of these days he was at Rick's bar attending a SuperLifer show (rock group, I assume). Of course he didn't sign the guestbook on their website until December 20, 2003 @ 11:07 PM, which makes you wonder if he was there or creating an alibi...

December 2003: Spends Christmas with Mother & Brother in Tacoma Washington.

January 2004: Begins Blogging the Fifth Nail. First post discusses Leanna 'Beaner' Warner. The first two lines are redundant - "Just found out that a little girl went missing from Chisholm MN on June 14, 2003 (this year). I did not even know until today that this happened." Very Suspicious.

January 29, 2004: Duncan details practically every moment to a "t" on his blog...wonder what he really did this day.

February 15, 2004: Ski Trip

February 19, 2004: Ski Trip to Andes Towers Hills, MN (104.3 miles, 1 hour 52 min from Fargo, ND)

February 21, 2004: Ski Trip (awful lot of skiing for being as sore as he said he was after the 15th...)

February 25, 2004: 41st Birthday

February 25, 2004: Flies to Florida, near Tampa to Visit Dr. Wacksman.

March 1, 2004: Blogs that he is back from his visit with th Dr. Wacksman.

March 24, 2004: Drunk Home Intruder at Duncan's Place (See blog 3/26/04)

April 15, 2004: Police visit Duncan - Confirming his address.

Weekend of April 16, 2004: Another visit with Dr. Wacksman in Ft. Lauderdale. (See blog 4/29/04) Hmmm...took off the day after address confirmation unexpectedly...

Weekend of April 23, 2004: "Retired-Teacher Friend" from Concord California visiting for the weekend. "We drove down to Minneapolis and saw the Mall of America and rode some of the rides."

May 7, 2004: Late night walk downtown

Sometime July 2004: Diving Trip Apostle Island, Wisconsin. (463.5 miles, 7 hours 38 min, 23 turns from Fargo, ND)

July 3, 2004: DREAM PROPHECY Entry - I had a very explicit dream last night. I dreamed that I was scuba diving and ran out of air but I could still breath, I just didn't know for how long. I was going to dive today, and actually started to, but when I got to the lake I turned around and came back. I just hope the dream was for today.

July 3, 2004: Detroit Lakes - molested a 6-year-old boy and tryed to molest an 8-year-old boy

July 9, 2004: HERE WE GO AGAIN Entry - I got a call today from an investigator in a city about an hours drive away from where I live. Apparently I am a suspect for some un-defined incident that occurred last Sunday. He would not tell me anything about what happened, though he did not seem too concerned except to say it was a felony and all felonies are serious (in other words it probably was not too serious at least).The officer wants me to drive to his city to talk to him. I almost told him I would, until he told me I was a suspect (I had to ask). Then I told him I would get back to him after I talk to an attorney.

August 20, 2004: Police break in to Duncan's residence and confiscate "my home computer, my digital camera, my camcorders (which I was using for home surveillance) and a lot of regrettable media."

September 2004: Only 1 blog entry this month, what kept him so busy?

October 2004: 3 blog entries this month

November 2004: No blog entries this month

December 2004: Must have gotten some "No-Knock Warrants" Complained in a few blogs this month

December 26, 2004: Washington State, Proof on website covered up by one of Duncan's cronies at Geocaching.com

January 30, 2005: Laptop rebuilt, Mentions his new fan Jerry.

February 25, 2005: 42nd Birthday

March 4, 2005: Duncan is charged in Becker County District Court with second-degree criminal sexual conduct and second-degree attempted criminal sexual conduct in connection with the July 3, 2004 incident.

Weekend of March 11: Micro-vacation to Key West, Dr. Wacksman again.

April 1, 2005: Visit from police for address confirmation

April 1, 2005: HERE WE GO AGAIN Entry - Dave Forester, a reporter form the local paper just stopped by. Wanted to know if I had any comment about the charges against me in Becker County for an article he is preparing for the paper tomorrow.

April 5, 2005: Posted $15,000 bail in Becker County (Minn.) District Court.

April 11, 2005: Duncan's last contact with probation agent.

April 15, 2005: Duncan Calls Dr. Wacksman.

April 15, 2005: The Boogyman Will Get Ya Entry - Does not post again until April 24th

April 15, 2005: Duncan rents a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee from a St. Paul rental car agency. (The Jeep was reported stolen after it was not returned by April 20. )

April 24, 2005: Wrestling With Demons Entry - Where is he?

April 27, 2005: " license plates were stolen out of Newton County, Missouri " (765.5 miles, 11 hours 51 min, 17 turns from Fargo, ND) Did he stop in Kansas City to see family before driving south to Newton County?

May 4, 2005: 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee reported stolen (It was supposed to be returned on the 20th, why did they wait unti May 4, 2005?)

May 6, 2005: Warrant issued for Duncan in Fargo.

May 10, 2005: Duncan e-mailed an upstairs neighbor, Joni Buzick, and asked her to take care of his cats. In the e-mail, Duncan writes "life just isn't worth it and that he is truly sorry," the police report said. - Where is he?

May 11, 2005: The Demons Have Taken Over Entry - Where is he?

May 13, 2005: Still Confused Entry - He mentions his mother is crying, Lillian lives in Tacoma, Washington - Is he there?

May 15, 2005: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho - Three murder victims - Brenda Groene, 40, her son, Slade Groene, 13, and Mark McKenzie, 37, are last seen alive at a barbecue at their home outside of Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. It is also the last time Dylan Groene, 9, and Shasta Groene, 8, are seen before their disappearance.

May 16,2005: Authorities find the bodies of Brenda Groene, Slade Groene and McKenzie bound with plastic ties in the Groene home. Duncan fails to appear for a hearing in Becker County District Court on the child sexual assault charges and a bench warrant is issued for his arrest. Duncan's $15,000 bail is forfeited.

May 17, 2005: Amber Alert issued. Authorities find nothing in search of area

May 2005: Fargo police say park rangers in Bighorn Canyon National Recreation area in Wyoming found the key tag to the Jeep while cleaning up garbage that bears had pulled from a Dumpster.

June 1, 2005: A federal arrest warrant was issued for Duncan in Minneapolis

July 2, 2005: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho - Shasta Groene is found at a Denny's restaurant with Duncan, who is driving the Jeep stolen May 4 in Minnesota, with stolen Missouri plates.

July 4, 2005: Authorities said Monday they found human remains during their search for a missing 9-year-old boy whose sister was found days earlier at a Denny's restaurant with a registered sex offender. Sheriff Rocky Watson said the remains were found in western Montana and would be sent to an FBI laboratory for DNA analysis.

July 5, 2005: Duncan made his first court appearance Tuesday by video link with Kootenai County District Court, where Wayman read the charges against him. Wayman set a $2 million bail on the fugitive charge, and no bail for the kidnapping charges, which could result in life in prison or the death penalty for Duncan, if convicted.

July 7, 2005: Shasta Groene is released from the Kootenai Medical Center.

July 8, 2005: A Hammer is determined to be the murder weapon of Brenda Kay Groene, 40; her son, Slade Groene, 13;, and boyfriend Mark Edward McKenzie, 37 found on May 16, 2005

July 10, 2005: Dylan Groene's remains identified as the ones found July 4, 2005 in western Montana.

July 19, 2005: Preliminary hearing scheduled for Joseph Edward Duncan III



He had a freak doctor friend that helped him out...A Pediatrician!...

A convicted sex offender arrested Saturday in Idaho with a missing girl received financial help from a former Fargo doctor, police records show.

Authorities believe Joseph E. Duncan III, 42, left the Fargo-Moorhead area shortly after April 5, when he posted $15,000 bail in Becker County (Minn.) District Court.

He is charged in Becker County with molesting a 6-year-old boy and trying to molest an 8-year-old boy July 3, 2004, in Detroit Lakes.

Police arrested Duncan Saturday in Coeur d'Alene with an 8-year-old girl whose mother, brother and family friend were found murdered in May.

On May 13, Fargo police investigator Greg Esposito spoke by phone with Richard Wacksman, a former Fargo doctor who befriended Duncan before he moved to Fargo in 2000. Richard Wacksman Friend of Joseph Duncan Asked that Duncan be released from prison in 1997 Richard Wacksman Before coming to Fargo, Duncan served 14 years in prison for raping a 14-year-old boy at gunpoint in 1980 in Tacoma, Wash., when Duncan was 16.

Wacksman, who moved from Harwood, N.D., to Florida several years ago, told Esposito he last spoke to Duncan around April 15, when he got a phone call from him, according to a Fargo police report.

The report also said: Wacksman loaned Duncan about $6,500 before his court appearance in Detroit Lakes. The loan was intended to defray attorney fees.

Wacksman said he didn't think Duncan was homicidal, though in the past he talked about suicide and what it would be like to drown.

Duncan apparently thought drowning would be the least painful way to die.

Duncan, who likes to scuba dive, visited Wacksman in Florida in March.

Wacksman told police he is not Duncan's doctor, but the two became friends when Wacksman was a pediatrician in Florida.

He said Duncan was very scared of going back to prison.

Wacksman, who now lives in New Port Richey, Fla., did not return phone or e-mail messages left for him Tuesday.

Wacksman is licensed to practice medicine in Florida, but does not have privileges at any facility in the state, according to a Florida Department of Health Web site.

When Duncan moved to Fargo, police released information on his past, including a document from a 1997 sentence review board hearing in Olympia, Wash., held to determine whether Duncan should be returned to prison for a parole violation.

At the hearing, Wacksman asked that Duncan be released so that he could live at Wacksman's North Dakota home.

Wacksman stated he had no concerns regarding the safety of his children, a view the review board did not share.

The board rejected Wacksman's proposal, finding that: "Under no circumstances whatsoever would the board allow Mr. Duncan to reside in a home where victim age children reside. … With all due respect to Dr. Wacksman, we are not willing to expose his children to that kind of risk."

Wacksman's Harwood neighbors felt the same way five years ago when they learned Wacksman was friends with the Level 3 sex offender, according to Don Nicholas, whose oldest son was friends with one of Wacksman's children.

"We had a neighborhood meeting about it," recalled Nicholas, who now lives in Virginia and was reached Tuesday in Puerto Rico, where he is doing construction work for the National Guard.

Nicholas, who did not attend the meeting, said neighbors confronted Wacksman, who confirmed Duncan had been to his house.

Nicholas said Wacksman told neighbors he would set conditions so Duncan could only visit when he was supervised. To his knowledge, Nicholas said, Duncan never returned to the Harwood residence.

Wacksman told his neighbors Duncan no longer posed a threat and was a changed man, Nicholas said.

"Obviously, he wasn't," Nicholas said.

Police say Duncan gave them little trouble during the five years he lived in Fargo.

However, authorities searched Duncan's Fargo home twice, once in August in connection with the Becker County case and again in April, when police suspected Duncan had not informed them of an address change as required by law.

Police learned in early May that on April 15 Duncan rented a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee from a St. Paul rental car agency. The Jeep was reported stolen after it was not returned by April 20.

A key tag belonging to the vehicle was found in a national park in Wyoming by a park ranger, police said in May. According to a Fargo police report, Duncan e-mailed an upstairs neighbor, Joni Buzick, on May 10 and asked her to take care of his cats. In the e-mail, Duncan writes "life just isn't worth it and that he is truly sorry," the police report said.
4 posted on 07/10/2005 8:11:29 PM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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Its just sick........


5 posted on 07/10/2005 8:13:36 PM PDT by CollegeRepublicanNU (Here comes the story of the Hurricane..........)
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An angel is with God in Heaven free from all earthly pain and suffering. Rest in the Arms of the Lord.

6 posted on 07/10/2005 8:17:19 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Need someone to tune up old sparky?

Or strap him in and inject him?

If so, CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY!

I'd be happy to obligate.


7 posted on 07/10/2005 8:18:24 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Dallas59

This is evil. It's right here for anyone who can stand to look at it.


8 posted on 07/10/2005 8:21:29 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Go here for more info:

Click here for more info on JDuncan

And here:

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9 posted on 07/10/2005 8:23:12 PM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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Again, I offer my services for FREE to end the life of this freak. Time to let the "demons" have him in hell.


10 posted on 07/10/2005 8:34:27 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Public hanging.


11 posted on 07/10/2005 8:39:00 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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He was a darling boy. This is dreadful. End times alert. At least the Dad got his little girl back. Lord help us all.


12 posted on 07/10/2005 8:41:35 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (They killed Terri - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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We don't hang 'em in Idaho. It's either the needle or a firing squad.

150-grain softnose from a 30/30 at a 20-foot distance, actually. I looked it up. They may need volunteers.

13 posted on 07/10/2005 8:45:48 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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WA state has a three strike law for adults, but for juveniles it takes three strikes before you get sent to juvie for more than a week-end. Then kids say that they love juvenile hall because it's better that the living conditions that most of them have at home. Then when they become an adult, the juvenile record is sealed. So when this guy broke probation, they couldn't even look at his history to decide the sentence. If this guy had been dealt with properly when he was fifteen, this may not have happened.


14 posted on 07/10/2005 8:48:04 PM PDT by Eva
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This doctor sounds like a real whack job, himself.


15 posted on 07/10/2005 8:53:31 PM PDT by Luke21
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"Remains Said to Belong to Dylan Groene."

It should have been printed: "Remains Said to Be That of Dylan Groene."


No words can describe my sorrow. Prayers for Shasta.


16 posted on 07/10/2005 9:37:21 PM PDT by This Just In ("Those are my principles, if you don't like them, I've got others" - Groucho Marx)
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This is unspeakable. We all kind of 'knew' these remains would be young Dylan's but that doesn't make it any less bittersweet that he too was murdered.

R.I.P. Dylan.

His sister, the only survivor of this inhuman slaughter, needs all our thoughts and prayers. What horror!

17 posted on 07/11/2005 12:12:44 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Remind Liberal Cowards Why America Freed Iraq: http://massgraves.info/)
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The whole event just becomes more and more dramatic as more elements come into the story. The doctor is crazy, Duncan is beyond insane and sick and there could be many more kids he did this too..... Thank God Shasta is back to her Dad and hopefully can start living a happy life... For Dylan its too bad he isn't here but at least for him he is in a better place... I can't say the same thing for Duncan he deserves what is coming to him BIG TIME!!

What does everyone think of installing technology at our state-state borders that monitors who is coming and going? Like by watching the license plate numbers. I know it sounds expensive but we really need to take some new measures to stop these freaks who are lurking free out there.....
18 posted on 07/11/2005 4:03:31 AM PDT by CollegeRepublicanNU (Send all sex offenders to Neverland Ranch and blow it up............................)
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To: Dallas59

Thanks for posting that detailed time line. For some reason, I have found this case even more upsetting than many of the recent ones, partly at least because it shows how completely ineffective our system is in keeping these guys from hurting other people. That man had a track record of sexually motivated violence against children for almost 30 years, and yet it seems there was no way to get him out of circulation.

And what is it with this Dr. Wacksman? I wouldn't be surprised if he is also a pedophile. They seem to like to hang out together.

Personally, I think there's only one treatment that works for sexual predators: death.


19 posted on 07/11/2005 4:21:05 AM PDT by livius
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Won't SOMEBODY allow these people to be shot on sight??? They are a menace to society, CANNOT be re-habilitated so in the interest of public safety.........SHOOT EM'! :(


20 posted on 07/11/2005 4:28:00 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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