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OPEN LETTER TO FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS IMPORTERS (ATF Screws Us Again)
BATFE ^ | July 13, 2005 | Lewis P Raden - Asst. Director ATF

Posted on 07/13/2005 2:57:51 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente

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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

No one wants to be the first one to get his arse shot off by the Feebies.


81 posted on 07/14/2005 9:45:10 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: datura

where did you hear that?


82 posted on 07/14/2005 9:51:03 AM PDT by Andonius_99
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To: absolootezer0
The BATFE book of "rules" based on the half-dozen or so major federal gun laws passed since 1934 runs to nearly 500 pages at this time. No doubt they just arbitrarily added another dozen pages to cover this latest unconstitutional BS. They did this solely on the orders of our new AG, the honorable Alberto G., and the Prez, unfortunately, is complicit. He is on record as supporting the AW ban and in my humble opinion, he owes his reelection in big part to a Republican Congress that did not allow an AW ban renewal to hit his desk a month before the election.

The problem with gun control is that both major parties are for it. The RAT-bastards are for a simple outright total ban and confiscation; the Repubos are satisfied to let the RATs do the dirty work while they (the Repubos) merely sit back and allow the status quo to remain. That way over the long run, the results will be the same: a seriously eroded RKBA (which has already been transformed to the PKBA) and a series of ever higher hurdles over which the average citizen must jump in order to exercise a Constitutional right.

All these laws and the regulations which they spawn may not completely stop the highly motivated RKBA advocate, but they have had what lawyers call a "chilling effect" on the average Joe who wants to own a gun for casual hunting or defensive purposes. It has become too much of a hassle to try to surmount.

What it will eventually lead to is not hard to discern: a nearly extinct legal market and a burgeoning black market, much as we see in Britain. The whole thing will lead to the "$200 machine gun" available on any street corner in any city in the US. The end result of too many rules is that instead of absolute control by governemnt we will have absolute anarchy and a complete loss of any meaningful control whatsoever - much as we see with the so-called War on Drugs.

83 posted on 07/14/2005 9:59:05 AM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Joe Brower
The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security!

Stop the attacks on our God given Rights by the extreme wacko left-wing anti-gun nazis!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen!

Guns Save Lives!

No Guns, No Rights!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For!

84 posted on 07/14/2005 10:10:24 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: El Laton Caliente
Well, I've been expecting something like this. Ashcroft was the best friend the Second Amendment's had in a very long time. I've been wondering what was going to happen with Gonzalez as AG, and I think that this is just the beginning... Not a good sign.

Mark

85 posted on 07/14/2005 10:13:05 AM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: Dead Corpse
The Constitution says, "shall not be infringed". Not, "definitions of infringed may be ignored by government agencies under the guise of prohibitory regulations".

Remember that the current SCOTUS does NOT believe that the Constitution means what is clearly written: How else can they explain McCain/Feingold CFR? The first amendment clearly states "congress shall make no law," yet that's exactly what congress did, and the SCOTUS OK'd it.

I don't know why the US spends any money preserving the original Constitution... The government ignores it... Why would they want a copy of it around that might prove what they've done to it...

Mark

86 posted on 07/14/2005 10:18:37 AM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: blackie

Er... blackie? I hate to point it out to you but it is one of the guys supposedly on OUR side that did this. This came from Bush's boy Gonzo.


87 posted on 07/14/2005 10:22:57 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: MarkL
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

If the contract of the Constitution no longer holds, then none of the Laws being made without its authority are valid as it no longer serves the purpose stated for us to form a nation in the first place.

88 posted on 07/14/2005 10:26:11 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Well, what other choice do we have? Should we all tell the GOP and the DNC to stuff it and go to the Constitution or Libertarian Party?

I think sitting out an election is an option; losing one might get the Republicans to pay more attention to their base. Certainly, if conservatives are as uncritically supportive of the Republicans as Blacks are of the Democrats, we will get exactly the sort of lip service that Blacks do.

My only problem with the Libertarian Party is the Libertarian Party. They just aren't ready for Prime Time and after thirty years, I don't think they ever will be.

89 posted on 07/14/2005 10:45:20 AM PDT by Grut
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To: absolootezer0

It is the last. The GOP doesn't mind being thought of as pro-gun, just not TOO pro-gun. For example, the House voted THREE separate time in three separate Congresses to repeal the AWB yet the Senate would not even schedule a vote. Right after Columbine, the Senate knee-jerked and passed a whole slew of anti-gun measures and wisely, the House waited a few weeks until the hysteria died down and defeated it.

As I see it, we have two major problems, the first is a wishy-washy handful of RINOs in the Senate and the second is Bush is not really pro-gun.


90 posted on 07/14/2005 10:56:16 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: El Laton Caliente
Readily adaptable to sporting purposes.

91 posted on 07/14/2005 10:58:00 AM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Joe Brower
Hey Joe - Since you seem to be into intellectual excercises like this, see if you can find the terminology "collective right" anywhere at all in any of the founding documents.

I would speculate that it never entered into US political terminology until after Stalin and Mao's "collectivization" programs. I specifically remember my Con Law prof telling us that every right mentioned in the Bill of Rights was an individual right, which is what makes us different from the rest of the world.

92 posted on 07/14/2005 11:05:07 AM PDT by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: Dead Corpse

So ~~?


93 posted on 07/14/2005 11:23:40 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie

It wasn't a "left winger" that did this to us. They would have, if they could have, but this was someone supposedly on the "conservative" side of the political party line.


94 posted on 07/14/2005 12:16:13 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Thanks ~ those are old homilies ~ I should have edited out "left wing", even though "sporting" gun, barrel, use, etc, is right out of the anti-gun lunatic left's bible.

I just copy and paste, being a two fingered typist, using short cuts are important. :)


95 posted on 07/14/2005 12:25:10 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
It still works. The lefties are out to get us. It just looks like "our side" has given in to the even older bit of wisdom, "Power corrupts".

I'm not sure what the heck to do now. If Bush puts "moderates", or Godz forbid outright liberals, on the Bench, we'll get screwed even worse.

96 posted on 07/14/2005 12:29:27 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse

If GWB does that he will go against everything he has stated about judicial appointments.

I'm an Independent and have voted for and supported GWB ~ if he bails on his word and doesn't nominate someone like Janice Rogers Brown for the SP ~ I'm through with pubbies and will support the Constitution Party.


97 posted on 07/14/2005 12:38:46 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
You won't be alone. Unfortunately. JRB is my first pick for a USSC candidate. From what I've read on FR of Luttig, I like him for a Second appointment.

People who still believe in the ideals expressed in the Constitution and Declaration need to catch a break soon. We are going to start losing some of our "coal mine canaries" at this rate.

98 posted on 07/14/2005 12:53:04 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Grut

Yes, but the libertarians have been warning people about statist authoritarian government for years. The Republicans are not a viable alternative. To tell you the truth, most of the time I feel that the Democrats don't care about any of the Constitution, and the Republicans only care about the second Amendment. And they don't care about the second Amendment that much. Why anyone who understands anything about the Constitution and what it was meant to accomplish votes Democrat or Republican I'll never know.


99 posted on 07/14/2005 12:57:45 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Dead Corpse

Personally I think this is their way of moth balling the NFA weapons. No more spares or Knob Creeks. I have been waiting for this for years and made necessary contingency parts allotments. When I visited S Africa they register barrels not recievers. The whole idea either way is to make NFA's unshootable. Not hard to guess the reason.


100 posted on 07/14/2005 1:40:13 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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