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OPEN LETTER TO FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS IMPORTERS (ATF Screws Us Again)
BATFE ^ | July 13, 2005 | Lewis P Raden - Asst. Director ATF

Posted on 07/13/2005 2:57:51 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente

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To: SittinYonder
Others have mentioned him as a possible SCOTUS nominee.

I would not like to see him in the SCOTUS

61 posted on 07/14/2005 8:18:09 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (DOC - 81mm Mortars, Wpns Co. 2/3 KMCAS 86-89)
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To: Bear_Slayer
Others have mentioned him as a possible SCOTUS nominee.

I don't remember that, but it certainly explains why Ashcroft matters! Thanks.

62 posted on 07/14/2005 8:21:07 AM PDT by SittinYonder (America is the Last Beach)
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To: joesnuffy
Congress gives up it's supreme power to make law again

Again? This particular surrender of power dates back to '68.

63 posted on 07/14/2005 8:22:55 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: SittinYonder; El Laton Caliente
Ashcroft for SCOTUS remark
64 posted on 07/14/2005 8:24:06 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (DOC - 81mm Mortars, Wpns Co. 2/3 KMCAS 86-89)
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To: El Laton Caliente

Another bureaucratic SNAFU. I wonder what life in the US would be like without the government telling you when to breath?


65 posted on 07/14/2005 8:28:44 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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To: El Gato

i'd rather see them put to use, i've always thought that the jack booted thugs with supressed sub/machineguns, artillery and spy planes would make good border patrol agents.


66 posted on 07/14/2005 8:32:23 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

weren't there 2 big bans between reagan and ghwb? iirc 86 and 91.


67 posted on 07/14/2005 8:35:47 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Joe Brower
"this is one more example of arbitrary abrogation of the supposed "supreme law of the land" by unelected bureaucrats who are killing our nation by slow regulatory strangulation."

The unelected bureaucrats are complicit, but Congress is the one that violated the law in the first place. Some as they violated the firat amend with their campaign finance reform.

Gonzales OKd this.

68 posted on 07/14/2005 8:40:25 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: jdege

ok, so in us v miller 1939, scotus declared
"The Court cannot take judicial notice that a shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches long has today any reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, and therefore cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees to the citizens the right to keep and bear such weapons."
this sounds to me like they were saying, "well, we don't see that a short barrel shotgun has any military use. so we don't see GCA 1934 as unconstitutional" yet later ammendments and further bans SPECIFICALLY refer to millitary weapons (from other countries) as banned, not to mention US millitary weapons.
we don't need sporting, we need someone to get scotus to re-open us v miller 1939, so they can declare GCA 1934 and all of its ammendments unconstitutional


69 posted on 07/14/2005 8:47:42 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: absolootezer0

What the court should have asked is, "is a short barreled shotgun and 'arm'?" The answer being an obvious "yes", is therefore protected. Also, if the Miller decision establishes a test of suitability for "militia" use, then why are full auto firearms so heavily "infringed" upon?


70 posted on 07/14/2005 8:56:42 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse

the test itself was bunk. the prosecuting attourney had been in WWI, he surely saw millitary using SBSs.
but you ask the same question i do. if -14s, -16, -60, HKs, AKs, FALs, etc are used by millitaries around the world, how do they not have any "reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia"?


71 posted on 07/14/2005 9:01:48 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: absolootezer0

'86 was when the MG ban went into place hidden it 60,000 pages of a spending bill. This is an expansion of the '89 Executive Order that Bush 1 foisted upon us.

The first can be forgiven because it was passed by deception with probably only a dozen people knowing it was there. The second cannot. Bush 1 deliberately screwed us over.


72 posted on 07/14/2005 9:12:29 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Grut

Well, what other choice do we have? Should we all tell the GOP and the DNC to stuff it and go to the Constitution or Libertarian Party?


73 posted on 07/14/2005 9:14:21 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Joe Brower

BTTT


74 posted on 07/14/2005 9:17:30 AM PDT by in the Arena (CAPT (USAF) James Wayne Herrick, Jr. (Call Sign: FireFly33). MIA Laos 27 Oct 69)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Can we pressure be applied?

Can this be overruled by someone higher up? Can Bush weigh in through an intermediary to have this interpretation tossed out?


75 posted on 07/14/2005 9:32:21 AM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

hidden in 60,000 pages? ouch. i knew it had been snuck in, but i didn't realize it was THAT hidden. now, if it was snuck in, why would it be let stand? or is it another case of no one having the guts to do anything about it?


76 posted on 07/14/2005 9:37:13 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: billnaz

There's only two ways that we are ever going to see a truly free and openly practiced 2nd amendment in the US and neither of them are peaceful, I'm sorry to say.


77 posted on 07/14/2005 9:37:41 AM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Dead Corpse
We won't do anything about this either.

You are right about the above...a lot of talk on this forum and NO action. No one has the backbone.

78 posted on 07/14/2005 9:37:48 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SittinYonder
Sometimes I wish they'd just come and take my house, take my guns, take my money and dole it back out to me as they see fit. Just get it over with ... they're going to do it anyway and they've made it clear we can't stop them.

You are beginning to think correctly.

79 posted on 07/14/2005 9:40:19 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

LOL! You're probably right.


80 posted on 07/14/2005 9:41:05 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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