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The Real Story Behind Srebrenica
The Globe and Mail ^ | 14 July 2005 | Lewis MacKenzie

Posted on 07/15/2005 9:30:59 AM PDT by Doctor13

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To: johnnyBbad
Lamest reponse ever.

Ever?

Hmmm, that's a curious statement for someone who's claiming to be new around here. Been around before? ;-)

61 posted on 07/20/2005 6:34:31 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

Ever heard someone say "That's the dumbest joke ever," or "that's the lamest excuse ever"?

They're not literally claiming to have heard every joke or excuse of all time! It only means to convey their take on what they've just heard.

That's what I just did. Sorry if I'm confusing the hell out of you.


62 posted on 07/20/2005 7:12:21 AM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad
The town was divided, as I posted to you earlier. The Muslims controlled some highground and also were shooting frequently at Sarajevo (the Serb suburb Ilidza) from Mount Igman. Mount Igman looks according to this map to be outside of Sarajevo - so much for the deceptive, simplistic propaganda of only Muslims being in Sarajevo while Serbs were the only ones surrounding it in the mountains. Look particularly at the last map below. Ilidza is located in the lower left and below it is a black arrow pointing to Igman (must be Mount Igman and it is outside the map). In the transcripts of some of that testimony I posted, the UN officers said Mount Igman was around 2 miles from Ilidza (they used kilometers and I converted it to miles.) The line of confrontation snaked through the middle of the city practically.


63 posted on 07/20/2005 4:15:58 PM PDT by joan
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To: johnnyBbad
The Serbs didn't want to fall into the Muslims clutches nor lose their sections of Sarajevo, nor lose the villages around Sarajevo - which would have happened if the Muslims had their way.

The Muslims jailed 10s of thousands of Serbs. The Muslims had scores of torture/rape/death camps in Sarajevo. The Muslims started liquidating Serb civilians from the get-go. Indeed. The media covered for the Muslims and turned the Serb accusations against the Muslims against the Serbs.

BOSNIA Recently released secret documents reveal that in the first days of the war, Muslim paramilitary leaders murdered scores of Bosnian Serb civilians in Sarajevo.

The Serb population of Sarajevo is DOWN OVER 150,000 since 1991. 150,000! While the Muslim population is higher both in real numbers, and especially in percentage. They are said to be 90-95% of the population of Sarajevo - with continued moving in of Muslims from the countryside and Sandzak, and they have killed Serbs for their property since the war.

64 posted on 07/20/2005 4:24:17 PM PDT by joan
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To: johnnyBbad
You say the Serbs' lashing out harmed them, but the media itself made big deals of this while being quiet about the often initial and heavy assaults by the Muslims and/or Croats. THE UN, OTHER INTERNATIONALS AND NEWS MEDIA PURPOSELY KEPT PEOPLE IN THE DARK ABOUT THE PROVACATIVE TACTICS OF THE MUSLIMS AND THE REAL AMOUNT OF WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION THEY HAD.

Example:

U.N. just doesn't learn

Who am I to judge? I served in the former Republic of Yugoslavia during the early 1990s. I worked under the authority of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees' Belgrade office. Among other things, I was directly involved in the evacuations of Muslim refugees from Srebrenica to Tuzla in April 1993.

One night, Bosnian Serbs had shelled the Muslim enclave, injuring a number of women and children, who were subsequently airlifted and trucked to hospitals. You may recall the scene on CNN, where a young boy was lying in the back of a truck, covered in blood and screaming for his mama. The CNN reporter claimed that these people were victims of an unprovoked attack launched by the Serbs.

The truth of the matter is that the shelling was a counterattack against the Muslim forces in Srebrenica, who had just finished shelling nearby Serb positions. The Muslim assault had lasted for approximately three hours and ended moments before the counterattack began. How do I know this? I read the message from the U.N. Communications Team in Srebrenica to the U.N. Mission in Belgrade. The U.N. however, saw to it that the correct information was never released to the media. Why? Because the truth did not suit its political agenda.


65 posted on 07/20/2005 4:44:05 PM PDT by joan
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To: johnnyBbad

“the world” knew very well what happened.

"A few days ago Mr. Boutros Ghali informed me that the projectile which hit the Markale marketplace in Sarajevo was an act of (Bosnian) Muslim provocation". President Mitterrand of France, 1995
http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/bosnia_sarajevo.htm

“the world” just decided to punish Serbs for Muslim bombs. “the world” was pretty much like you – they keep coming with new, fantastic excuses for Muslim side. Which is why the West is loosing war on terror:
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic04/NewsST040804.html

As for Arkan, he is not usually blamed for sweeping through the Drina Valley. If you have some information feel free to share them with us.

And I do not feel sorry for you – you feeling of sorrow can be contributed to the fact that Serbs did not wait to be slaughtered like 1941.


66 posted on 07/20/2005 6:00:35 PM PDT by zagor-te-nej (http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm)
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To: zagor-te-nej
Serbs did not wait to be slaughtered like 1941.

Oh dear... This is what happens when stupid commie leadership fails to deal with the past.

67 posted on 07/20/2005 6:49:45 PM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: joan
Funny how when the Serbs are accused of running death/rape camps Serbs say it was all faked, the victims lying, the photos doctored, the media's in on it blah blah blah, and yet you confidently state that the "Muslims had scores of torture/rape/death camps in Sarajevo," and ""started liquidating Serb civilians from the get-go."

I was of the opinion that Bosnia wasn't genocide yet I guess you're still convinced that it happened to Serbs (that's what "liquidating" means, yes?).

I love how the standards of proof change depending on who's crime is in question.

68 posted on 07/20/2005 6:56:21 PM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad

When on

April 8 1992

he ended up on the hydroelectric plant and dam in Visegrad, threatening general Kukanjac that by destroying the dam he would destroy all bridges on the Drina, he was in the same situation as most of Bosniaks.
http://www.ex-yupress.com/slobos/slobos5.html


69 posted on 07/22/2005 4:32:56 PM PDT by zagor-te-nej (http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm)
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To: johnnyBbad

Before the war, he toppled the statue of the only local Nobel Prize winner, Ivo Andric and threw it into Drina River saying “you wrote enough, now you swim”

And his son was named after Ottoman murderer.

No wonder that Arkan had to intervene.


70 posted on 07/22/2005 4:35:02 PM PDT by zagor-te-nej (http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm)
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To: johnnyBbad
"sorry, I'm new - who's a 'Muhammedan apologist'?"

You.

71 posted on 07/22/2005 4:40:36 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: zagor-te-nej

Well at least you're now on record as having endorsed Arkan's offensive.


72 posted on 07/23/2005 7:21:22 AM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: Doctor13

bump


73 posted on 07/23/2005 7:29:34 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Doctor13

"the genocide in Rwanda being the undisputed No. 1"

Not hardly indisputable considering the millions dead in Cambodia's killing fields.


74 posted on 07/23/2005 7:43:32 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: johnnyBbad

Anyone who thinks the Serbs committed war crimes by shelling Sarajevo, killing Bosnian "men" (any male over 12), and raping the women to teach their people a lesson.


75 posted on 07/23/2005 7:46:51 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: HostileTerritory

Well I guess that does make a Muhammedan apologist.

oh well.


76 posted on 07/23/2005 7:56:18 AM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad

It is like I said; you are ticked off because Serbs did not wait to be slaughtered like 1941 or 1914.

You are on record as someone who has tons of understanding for Muslim terrorist and none whatsoever for their victims.


77 posted on 07/25/2005 8:05:06 PM PDT by zagor-te-nej (http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm)
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To: zagor-te-nej
I've stated (on another thread I think) that I understand why the Serbs in Croatia rose up when their rights weren't guaranteed.

Does that mean I'm going to back them on everything they do? I'm afraid not.

78 posted on 07/26/2005 5:20:26 AM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad

You do not back Serbs at all. Not anywhere not on anything –period!
You have zero understanding for Serbs and all understanding for Muslim side – and you keep coming with new and fantastic excuses for them.
And we are talking about former Bosnia not Croatia.


79 posted on 07/26/2005 8:28:27 PM PDT by zagor-te-nej (http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm)
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To: zagor-te-nej
You do not back Serbs at all. Not anywhere not on anything –period!

I repeat: I've stated (on another thread I think) that I understand why the Serbs in Croatia rose up when their rights weren't guaranteed.

Unfortunately, I've met enough Serbs to understand that failure to back Serbia 100% means one must be in line with the Ustashe.

80 posted on 07/27/2005 5:27:03 AM PDT by johnnyBbad
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