It's more insidious than that, it not only blames the domestic Right for a crime made by lefties, but it deliberately omits the Middle Eastern connection (e.g. Nichol's Phillipino wife, Abu Sayyef, etc.).
Posted on 07/15/2005 9:05:52 PM PDT by ex-Texan
That's true.
I doubt we'd live long enough to pick up the phone, in that eventuality.
Bingo. There's something to be said for having "institutional memory" around here. ;-)
Cheers
Do a FR search on keyword TWA800.
There were three informants at Elohim City. Carol Howe, the owner of the property and even Andrew Strassmeir himself were reported to be in close contact with the feds.No connection with McVeigh.
"Show me your phone records."
They don't exist ...
Just like Bill Clinton to order Janet Reno to ...There is no there 'there' on this issue; not one piece of TANGIBLE evidence, just a LOT of re-hashed michael redvero level-'stuff' that finds life at LP, LF and DU.
And now it looks like a NEW generation that hasn't the discipline to read the court transcripts of McVeigh's book has 'renewed' interest ONLY because conspiracy theories are EASY to believe if you don't know about the actual facts that exist ...
It's more insidious than that, it not only blames the domestic Right for a crime made by lefties, but it deliberately omits the Middle Eastern connection (e.g. Nichol's Phillipino wife, Abu Sayyef, etc.).
Do a FR search on keyword TWA800.While you're at it, do a search for aged airframes, chafed wiring and "forward outward-opening cargo bay door".
THEN read the NTSB report and wonder aloud why a NUMBER of PILOTS that night in that 'flight lane' that night didn't report seeing a MISSILE ...
THE FBI and NTSB suppressed the evidence of 183 eye witnesses from all around Long Island SoundYeah, and what did the other pilots ahead/behind TWA800 say about things they saw that night?
What - no time to do the research (BUT you had the time to post this oft repreated 'saw')?
Here, here's the gist of it:
Pilot witnessesMost of the airborne witnesses were pilots and experienced observers of aircraft. Consequently, they are believed to be especially trained, qualified, and credible observers. These observers can be especially useful because their statements to air traffic controllers are often recorded, and because radar data can be used to determine their position and altitude at a given time.
The captain of Eastwind flight 507 told the witness group that he had observed a "pretty bright landing light" and that he watched it "on and off for over two minutes, minimum, but I probably had seen him [the light] for over five minutes." (From page 19 of the interview transcript, which appears as Appendix Z to the Witness Group Chairman?s Factual Report).
The captain of Eastwind flight 507 was not the only airborne witness to report seeing what he described as landing lights.
Document CC3-416 notes that Witness 702, who was operating a general aviation airplane reported that he "spotted a white light which suddenly exploded into a giant red orange ball."33
However, at 0042:11, Witness 702 (or another person aboard the same aircraft) advised air traffic control, "we saw landing lights facing us and all of a sudden it turned into a bright orange flame"
Quite possible although this article did not make much of a connection between the two.
The Clinton Administration cast McVeigh and Nichols as the only ones involved in this crime ...McVeigh's lawyer, "Oklahoma Jones" hired a number of detectives to 'dig up' evidence; they failed to turn up anything significant enough to change or affect the 'well-known facts' of this case ...
You also forgot about a third individual who only had tertiary involvement with this event: Michael Fortier. I believe he and his wife are still serving time on charges they plead to as part of state's evidence deal ...
McVeigh was a monster but also a loose end that they silenced fairly quicklyMcVeight didn't appeal - how does this translate into "a loose end that they silenced fairly quickly"?
I guess you're also unaware that 'Oklahoma Jones' tried unsuccessfully to 'debrief' McVeigh using a number of different inerrogators, and McVeigh's story NEVER varied. See, Oklahoma Jones wasn't entirely convinced that McVeigh pulled off this job and did his utmost to find out, to no avail, what really happened; McVeigh was also miffed that Oklahoma Jones was up to this trick ...
The site of the OKC bombing was where many of the documents regarding Waco were stored. There have been rumors on the Internet about the ATF not showing up for work on the day of the OKC bombing. More rumors about the bombing being enhanced by bombs set inside the building.Yeah, all debunked here on FR too.
One of the MAJOR purveyors of this pap was none other than a conspiracy author du jour: michael redvero ('rivero' if you insist on proper spelling) ...
This is a good thing in many ways since if the official excuse was true we would, no doubt, have lost many 747's to this problem in the last 35 years instead of this one supposed isolated incident.Just how many aircraft total have succumbed to fuel tank explosions - any?
Does anyone know the facts on that one?
Don't you ever tire of confirming that you're the consumate idiot, when it comes to Waco, TWA800 and the OKC Bombing?
We sure do.
I don't think ANYBODY from your side has looked at even ONE piece of primary evidence, yet, they will jump and down and SWEAR the conspiracy 'evidence' is TRUE!
Are you cognizant of what McVeigh talked about in his book for instance?
"No" is what I am betting your answer will be ...
_Jim, your current rantings don't undo seven years of denial.
Thanks for the refresher.
Shaky Janet Reno and the Clintoons ought to be arrested for what they did in OKC and Waco. There has to be someone in the US government who still cares about justice who will open this sewer.
The feds were as speedy in bulldozing the Murrah building as they were in bulldozing the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. Come to think of it, the execution of Tim McVeigh set a speed record too, I think.
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