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Just like Bill Clinton to order Janet Reno to micro-manage an FBI investigation in distant Oklahoma City. But it appears things began to unravel because local officials resented being told what to do by Washington D.C. People were requesting transfers and retiring early. It appears many leads were left in boxes sent for storage in other cities.

At some point, the White House must have become concerned about the investigation going out of control. It appears to this observer that high officials may have covered up everything implicating the suspect Strassmeir and his alleged connection to the German government. Then the Justice Department threw the book at Howe, one of their own undercover investigators, for discovering the alleged connection between Strassmeir, Elohim City and McVeigh. That effectively ended any possible inquiry into alleged Neo-Nazi and skinhead links leading back to connections in Germany.

The site of the OKC bombing was where many of the documents regarding Waco were stored. There have been rumors on the Internet about the ATF not showing up for work on the day of the OKC bombing. More rumors about the bombing being enhanced by bombs set inside the building.

Oh, well . . . Not for me to worry. Time to move on people. Lock your doors and windows.

1 posted on 07/15/2005 9:05:53 PM PDT by ex-Texan
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Sunday is the 8th anniversary of the PanAm plane blowing up over NYC. God rest their souls.
2 posted on 07/15/2005 9:07:22 PM PDT by Perdogg
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BTTT


3 posted on 07/15/2005 9:11:56 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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This story lacks the Middle East connection ("The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis, 2004). Why is that?


4 posted on 07/15/2005 9:12:11 PM PDT by enviros_kill
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“I was close to the bombing case immediately,” one former official told the Gazette, “and over time it became clear the White House had taken the investigation away from the FBI and handed it over to officials at the Department of Justice.

Damn the Clintons to hell. Period.

5 posted on 07/15/2005 9:12:42 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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There were three informants at Elohim City. Carol Howe, the owner of the property and even Andrew Strassmeir himself were reported to be in close contact with the feds.

Strassmeir was the son of a German official. I believe he was an ex or possibly even active/on leave or possilbe special ops military member.

One does wonder what the feds relationship with Strassmeir was. I've long suspected that some foreign ops work in the U.S. to circumvent certain domestic laws about what law enforcement officers can do.

I only offer the last comment as a possible reason for cover-up. I can't think of any other.


9 posted on 07/15/2005 9:26:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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May be true, may not. Without anyone willing to speak under oath and on the record it doesn't go too far.


10 posted on 07/15/2005 9:35:15 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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high officials may have covered up everything implicating the suspect Strassmeir and his alleged connection to the German government.

???
Why?

23 posted on 07/15/2005 10:19:45 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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26 posted on 07/15/2005 10:57:08 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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What about McVeigh and the Iraqi agents he was seen with?
See "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis

"‘Never send us anything that points to anyone other than McVeigh and Nichols.’"

Justice in America.

That should read CLINTON JUSTICE IN AMERICA


32 posted on 07/15/2005 11:17:43 PM PDT by Cincinna (BEWARE HILLARY and her HINO)
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BTTT


36 posted on 07/16/2005 6:40:48 AM PDT by SweetCaroline (Thank You GOD for watching over me.)
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The categories are: "Rove is the Devil", "Brittany's Twins", "Terrorist Panties", "Homosexuals are more normal than you", "A blond disappeared from an island", and "News that the MSM will never cover"

Ok Alex, I'll take "News that the MSM will never cover" for $12,000.
37 posted on 07/16/2005 6:46:17 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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Just like Bill Clinton to order Janet Reno to ...
There is no there 'there' on this issue; not one piece of TANGIBLE evidence, just a LOT of re-hashed michael redvero level-'stuff' that finds life at LP, LF and DU.

And now it looks like a NEW generation that hasn't the discipline to read the court transcripts of McVeigh's book has 'renewed' interest ONLY because conspiracy theories are EASY to believe if you don't know about the actual facts that exist ...

47 posted on 07/16/2005 3:50:11 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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The site of the OKC bombing was where many of the documents regarding Waco were stored. There have been rumors on the Internet about the ATF not showing up for work on the day of the OKC bombing. More rumors about the bombing being enhanced by bombs set inside the building.
Yeah, all debunked here on FR too.

One of the MAJOR purveyors of this pap was none other than a conspiracy author du jour: michael redvero ('rivero' if you insist on proper spelling) ...

54 posted on 07/16/2005 4:21:26 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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Shaky Janet Reno and the Clintoons ought to be arrested for what they did in OKC and Waco. There has to be someone in the US government who still cares about justice who will open this sewer.


59 posted on 07/16/2005 7:06:07 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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The feds were as speedy in bulldozing the Murrah building as they were in bulldozing the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. Come to think of it, the execution of Tim McVeigh set a speed record too, I think.


60 posted on 07/16/2005 7:08:07 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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Read tomorrow bump.


80 posted on 07/16/2005 10:47:24 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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With the amount of vociferous inciting to have an incident, isn't it just possible that Strassmeier was an agent provacateur and not what he appeared to be? Seems I heard once, long ago, that the guy who was yelling the loudest to blow things up and kill people in the room was probably the federal plant... This would provide all the more incentive for the FBI to ignore him Strassmeier, and later shift the blame to the ATF, who may have been counseled to ignore the whole thing. As for Eloihim City, the story got out, but appeared to reflect ill on right winged extremists than any agency plants. That did not explain the treatment of Carol Howe, however.

In the Clinton era interagency turf wars, this would cover the FBI's butt, make ATF look even less competent, and FBI look better. Mo' Budget!

With Clinton's demonstrated (later) wag the dog way of getting his parts out of trouble, it would not be beyond him, imo, to let the bombing go on, paint the bombing as an exclusively home grown act of 'evil right winged terror', and cut any Federal investigative or muslim connections out of the picture for the sake of demonizing the right, gun owners, and anyone who was upset/pissed off and calling for an investigation of the slaughter at Waco.

Not too long before this, iirc, it was the federal (FBI Guy) informant who showed Rachmann's guys how to make the bomb for the '93 WTC bombing.

84 posted on 07/16/2005 11:47:20 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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“Look at Waco. Just look at Waco,” he repeated.

Waco never happened - just ask Janet Reno.....

94 posted on 10/06/2005 2:53:29 PM PDT by patriot_wes (papal infallibility - a proud tradition since 1869)
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